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We have notes on the battle for PPV supremacy between WWE, UFC and HBO boxing, which includes comments from all existing parties, both insightful and sometimes funny. We look at UFC PPV numbers so far in 2008 as well as where UFC stands when it comes to the all-time records of PPV, and what WWE record they won't be approaching. We look at an interesting quote on what WWE's programming goals are when it comes to their audience, Lorenzo Fertitta talking about competition, and the UFC television situation.

We also have an update on the UFC/Affliction wars, with the announcement of the new show, as well as Fedor Emelianenko talking about his next fight and where it will be, another champion approached by Affliction and the UFC/TNA head-to-head in Dublin.

We also have updates on some major contract in TNA as well as where Sting now stands with the company heading into the company's biggest angle, perhaps in its history.

We also look at WWE's overseas business and what happened in one country seems to be duplicating in another formerly hot market.

We also have notes on the all-time Japanese record tying title win of Keiji Muto.

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We also have lots of notes of matches under discussion by Affliction.

We also have funny notes on sign confiscations at the last Raw taping, another former WWE employee talks about the company, another second generation wrestler in developmental who is picking things up quickly, as well as best selling DVDs, and a former WWE president talks about a new TV idea for the company.

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--Return of Mistico

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--Wrestler claiming he's going independent as a way to save face

--Juventud Guerrera update

--What foreign stars AAA is looking at using

--Former TNA worker trying to get into AAA full-time

--Next NOAH Budokan Hall matches announced

--WWE match airs on big screen at NOAH house show this past week

--Next NOAH tour and ROH stars all over it

--New Japan G-1 Climax tournament update

--What promotion is trying to get its big name stars onto the New Japan Tokyo Dome show

--What pro wrestlers' gym now has a gold medal from the last Olympics in a trophy case

--What controversial character from the last Olympics is now being talked with about turning to pro wrestling

--Updates on Ric Flair and Dwayne Johnson

--New TV show earmarked for Jesse Ventura

--Notes on some of the biggest traditional indie tournament shows

--Pro wrestling Hall of Fame announcer to be inducted into another Hall of Fame in November

--Reason behind ROH postponing shows in Florida

--Final lineup for TNA's Bound for Glory

--More on TNA Impact videogame

--Update on live Impact from Las Vegas and more notes on it

--Update on Kevin Nash contract reports

--The Kurt Angle/Jeff Jarrett angle

--TNA drug testing update

--New TNA character and a decision has to be made about

--Update on international stars who have talked about coming to TNA

--Update on Gail Kim

--ROH house show business update

--A look at all the TV's leading to Bound for Glory

--How the dropping of the WEC light heavyweight and middleweight divisions is being handled regarding assimilation into UFC and the championships

--Dana White's surprising comments on Anderson Silva's retirement talks

--Lots of new UFC matches official

--Mirko Cro Cop health update

--Top Dream star talks retirement

--Update on negotiations by Showtime to buy Elite XC

--Next Elite XC card on Showtime and some details

--A look at one of the better MMA shows of the year

--A look at an Elite XC TV pilot

--A look at the ownership of the IFL tape library

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-- EliteXC finished with a 2.7 rating and 4.56 million viewers, beating college football and the MLB Playoffs in the young male demos, so CBS was very happy. There were no direct comparisons to the UFC number (Rampage vs. Forrest which went head-to-head for free on Spike), but CBS claimed the 18-34 adult, 18-34 males and 18-49 male numbers beat "a competing mixed martial arts program". The show was up 59% from the second CBS show, though granted that show did a 1.7 and 2.57 million viewers which was pretty horrible.

-- Denny Burkholder has a big article here about allegations that Seth Petruzelli was paid to stand with Kimbo Slice on Saturday night. Petruzelli made statements in at least two separate interviews indicating this happened, but then claimed otherwise later. I and others had heard similar stories regarding both Petruzelli and Shamrock. EliteXC has denied these allegations. One important note is that, whether these claims are accurate or not, paying a guy to keep a fight standing, while not true to the spirit of MMA, is not "fixing a fight". Obviously the idea would be that Kimbo has a better chance to win if the fight stays standing. If Petruzelli got paid to lose Saturday, sure, that would be a fix. But whether he got paid to stand or not, he still knocked the guy into next week.

-- Regarding WWE charging fans to text message their votes for this year's Cyber Sunday, David Taylor (not that Dave Taylor) notes that there have been some major scams of this sort in the UK that have resulted in a number of broadcasters, including the BBC, having to pay out huge sums of money for rigging results. I should note that although WWE does it's best to influence the voting, we've always heard that the voting was on the level when done on WWE.com in year's past. I'd suspect it won't be any different this year especially with fans paying to vote.

-- No Way Out tickets for Seattle in February go on sale this Saturday at 10:00 AM. Prices: $200 (Including take-home commemorative chair), $75, $50, $35 and $25.

-- As noted on last night's Wrestling Observer Radio, Bret Hart will be our guest on Wednesday's edition of the show. You can email questions to him at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it with "Bret Hart Question" as the subject line.

-- Bret's book was released today on Amazon.com, both in print and Kindle editions. You can purchase it right now for immediate delivery by clicking here

-- Dolph Ziggler beat Rowdy Charlie Piper in the dark match last night. Heard Dolph looked pretty bad. Dark match main event was Kane & Jericho vs. Batista & Rey Misterio with the babyfaces going over. Thanks to Craig Proper.

-- Jared Bartie was named new Executive Vice President and General Counsel of WWE today, replacing Ed Kaufman.

-- John Morrison's latest Jim Morrison spoof, a totally wacky short film, is up here

-- Nigel McGuinness just passed the one-year mark as ROH Champion.

-- LET'S LEARN JUDO WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN~!

-- Todd Martin has a major story here on the fall of Kimbo

-- A look at the success of Smackdown is here. As noted in this week's Figure Four Newsletter, which is online right now for members, it's a great number for MyNetworkTV but a downright scary number for WWE.

-- Fighting for Endorsements -- MMA in the New York Times

-- There is an article here about the trial of former UFC fighter Lee Murray, who is accused of being involved in the biggest heist in global history.

-- Jim Ross will appear on ESPN's College Football Live this Friday at 3:30/2:30 Central. He also has a blog here on No Mercy

-- Eric Bischoff and Jason Hervey are doing a casting call for "attractive, fun males and females, between 18-35 years old who are bartenders, servers, cocktail servers, hosts and hostesses" for a new docu-soap based on the Saddle Ranch. The call is Saturday from 12-4 at the Saddle Ranch Chop House, 8371 Sunset Blvd, West Hollywood, CA 90069. Interested applicants should bring a recent headshot. For more information, send an email to This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

-- Bruno Sammartino documentary in the works

-- There is a Mystery ShowXC event Friday night on Showtime at 11:00 Eastern and Pacific headlined by, no joke, Dave "Pee Wee" Herman vs. Kerry "Meat Truck" Schall.

-- Announced so far for this year's Battle of Los Angeles tournament on November 1st and 2nd at the Burbank Armory: Davey Richards, Chuck Taylor, Masato Yoshino, and El Generico.

-- Poll on Hall of Fame wrestlers:
Who is the best of these Hall of Fame wrestlers?
Bret Hart 59.8%
HHH 9.3%
Frank Gotch 8.8%
Mick Foley 8%
Terry Gordy 7%
Superstar Billy Graham 3.9%
Gorgeous George 2.5%
Ed Don George 0.8%

-- Bobby Lashley talks his supposed MMA debut and more here. Apparently it gets heated.

-- Chris Bell of Bigger, Stronger, Faster on the Danny Bonaduce show is up here. Thanks to Jeff Cohen.

-- The mystery CMLL jump to AAA yesterday was -- Grey Shadow, aka Rocky Romero. Results courtesy Kris Zellner:
AAA 10/5 – Plaza de Toros el Relicario de Puebla drawing 10,000 fans (TV taping)
1. Mini Charly Manson/Mini Chessman/La Parkita beat Jerrito Estrada/Mascarita de la Muerte/Mini Kenzo Suzuki
2. Los Guapos VIP (El Brazo/Decnis/Escorpion Negro Jr.) defeated Billy Boy/Gato Eveready/Pimpinela Escarlata
3. Pirata Morgan & Hijo del Pirata Morgan beat Alebrije & Elegido when Pirata the father ripped off Elegido’s mask and pinned him.
4. Alan y Chris Stone defeated Joe Lider & Nicho el Millionario after lots of weapons being used. Sean Waltman showed up after the match to introduce the 2nd member of D-MEX in Rocky Romero who was previously working in EMLL as Grey Shadow.
5. Cuervo/Escoria/Ozz beat Aero Star/Silver King/Vampiro with help from Espiritu.
6. Cibernetico/La Parka Jr./Super Fly defeated Jack Evans/Teddy Hart/Zorro

-- NWA Underground has a big show Friday night at the Bourbon Park Pavilion in Bourbon, IL at 6:00 PM with The Skullcrushers, Sylas Young, Jimmy Jacobs and more. Further info up at nwa-underground.com.

-- Pro Wrestling Live presents Wanna Be Starting Something on November 29th at ACE Arena in Union City, NJ with Jimmy Rave vs. Delirious, Azriel vs. Alex Shelley vs. Rob Eckos, and more

-- World Championship Fighting runs November 14th at the Aleppo Shriners Auditorium in Wilmington, MA.

-- Power Trip Wrestling presents "Vote With Your Fist" on October 11th at the Birdwell Club on Sheffield Road in Barnsley, South Yorkshire.

-- Mark at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it is looking for a copy of No Surrender 2008.

-- Independent Pro Wrestling on Sunday: Randy Vahn & Dan Magnum b Keith Chambers & Ryan Dennim, Gabe Saint b Kyle McLeon, Steve McKenzie b Rip Impact, James Masterson b Mark Krieger, Kaitlin Diemond d. Jodi D'Milo, Kwan Chang b. Scotty Turner, Scott Chase & Shawn Brown b Troy Buchanan & Rex Atkins, Chris Laplante d. Steve Kruz to win the IPW Championship.

-- Championship Wrestling presents the Steel Cage Showdown on October 11 in Kingsport, TN at the Civic Auditorium. Bell Time is 8:00 PM! Bobby Eaton will be appearing.

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