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Excellent rant in the update today. Brilliant stuff, you guys have Thumbs way up - big show with hype actually lives up to expectations. Best match - Lesnar / Mir & GSP / Alves. Being Canadian I have to vote for the GSP match, especially after learning he pulled a muscle halfway though. Worst match - Fitch vs ???. Maybe it would have been a better match but after that main event a slow paced conservative match left no impression. OK so I predicted Lesnar by 2nd round MAULING and I guess I got it right. I was surprised Lesnar didn't want to stand like he did with Couture but maybe he wanted to prove he wasn't scared of being on the ground with Mir. This makes it real tough to do Mir / Lesnar III because Mir looked to have nothing for Lesnar. The post fight antics were 95% awesome, the beer comments were stupid and he should get in deep crap for that but everything else was awesome. I will say that in a room of non-wrestling fans the option was reversed for them but I just kept thinking how each and every guy in the room is going to want to see Lesnar beat up. I also have a tough time Dana White didn't think the exact same as me, which is, be as crazy as you want without dissing the sponsor. GSP looked great - almost too great. How do you beat this guy? Even injured he can take anyone down and hold them there. On the feet he has KO'ed guys in the past but I think he knows he cannot lose on the ground and will not even take punishment, but on the feet a Serra-like incident could happen at any time. Great for prolonging the career but it is good for him that people like him because nto finishing on the ground could be considered boring to some. But who does he face? Mike Swick??? Hard to promote Swick as a guy who can beat him. The only fight for him is vs. Silva, or if someone drops from 185, or Sheilds comes in, or maybe another match with Hughes - not that it would be competitive, but an Ultimate fighter with Hughes as the bad guy will do buys even if the fight will be a blowout. Will say that Alves did a good job in lasting and not breaking, and showed real class afte the fight. I also have no problem with Henderson continuing to punch, he stopped as soon as the ref got a hold of him, and in this sport you have to keep fighting until the ref stops it. What he did was no worse than Koscheck did on the Fight for the Troops (knocking down a guy when he is already out). Sadly that is part of the sport. On a side note I would love to hear an interview with Bisbing. GREAT show - Dave was there any thought to making it 4 hours with the two title fights? I know that 2-3 more undercard fights would have not made the show too long, because the anticipation for the 3 main events carried the whole show. One more note - before the fights earlier in the evening, I went to the local grocery & liquor stores and probably saw 15 people wearing UFC / Tapout gear - it seemed like every third person was going to be watching the fights. I live in Halifax NS which always buys a lot of PPVs but based on how many people were dresses up for the fights I expect the buyrate to be crazy high - I have never seen so many people out and about with UFC / MMA gear on. Andrew Warnica Hey Dave: Not expecting a response to this and please know I'm not trying to start an argument re: Henderson's "extra shot." First off, it was tough to watch (even as much as I wanted Bisping to get beat). My question is this: Is it the responsibility of the fighter who delivers the punch to dictate whether his opponent is knocked out? Specifically, should Henderson have not thrown that second shot? Or is his job to finish until the ref steps in? The irony is that Henderson has been both criticized (and complimented) for his rep as a nice guy, e.g. Pride 13, it appears he didn't realize that Renzo Gracie was out when he took a second shot at him after the KO. There is no doubt, that shot was to make a point but I hope that fact doesn't necessarily negate my general question. peace, G George Maranville
One other thought: Lesnar still doesn’t seem to have any submission skills. His strategy consists of him mauling his opponent until the ref stops it, which is fine but I think will make his matches go longer than they have to. My guess is that is going to come back and bite him in the future when he fights a submission specialist.
Having said that, he’s a blast to watch and a match with Fedor might break all-time PPV records. Thumbs up.
Best fight: Lesnar-Mir. While technically it wasn’t the most interesting fight, the hype – and the prospect that Mir could grab an ankle or wrist and get Lesnar to submit --- made it the most exciting.
Worst fight: All the fights on the PPV were good.
Thoughts: I absolutely loved Lesnar’s antics before and after the fight. GSP may be the best fighter in the world but Lesnar was the only one with the rock star vibe.
Also, I listened to Bill Simmons podcast where Dave said at some point, there will probably be a fatality in a televised match. For a second, I though that prediction came true on Saturday after Henderson KO’d Bisping and then belted him again. I really did think he was dead the way he was laying there. Scary. Brett Davey
Hi Dave,
I thought Lesnar was unreal, although downing Bud Light clearly was big picture unwise. My non-wrestling type friends only had a problem with the “go home and lay on my wife” part of Lesnar’s promo. They saw that part and ONLY that part as white trash. One guy (lawyer) said that white trash stuff can scare away sponsors. When he said that I thought of Flair talking about bleeding virgins at MSG and Vince going nuts on him because of sponsors were there. Anyways, food for thought. I thought it was just funny, but I think there is a point there when it comes to that part of it. Otherwise everyone thought it was a great show, some wondered about GSP not being spectacular, but that was moreso just because they have heard all the Canadian hype on him and they just assume he is some kind of KO freak, not realising that those takedowns one after the other were damn spectacular as far as the science of the sport.
WWE Vintage on THE SCORE had outstanding matches on Saturday. Bret vs Waltman and Pillman-Liger.
Name withheld Dave, .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Thumbs way up. Just read your update on the site. Couldn't agree with you more. Well said and well written. It was nice meeting you this past weekend. Enjoyed the dinner with you, Bryan, and the other readers. Also enjoyed hearing your thoughts on various topics. -Nomit Shah
Judging by our mail, a lot of people who were on the fence about MMA bought into the hype and watched UFC 100 with friends. Many were turned off by the blood, and by Lesnar’s antics after the match. I can see that being a pro wrestling fan actually helps you like the sport, since you see Lesnar as just being a classic heel. We got about 100 letters, about 90% saying the sport should be banned and/or Lesnar should be reprimanded. People seem to really respond to it on an emotional level, and any attempt to explain rules and why it’s safer than boxing (and a few other sports) falls on deaf ears. As one of my friends said “Anything where you can hit a man when he’s down (like Lesnar vs. Mir) isn’t a sport.
Meanwhile, on our website, the coverage blew everything else away as far as page views go. It’s up there with the same numbers our Lakers coverage gets, which is unheard of.
I forgot to add: The same people who are ripping Lesnar now will be keeping an eye on the sport just to see him get beat, so, mission accomplished Brock! Houston Mitchell
It's things like you're daily update today why I've read you for almost 14 years now. A great job. I couldn't help but feel a sense of satisfaction watching last night's show. I remember reading almost weekly in 1998 how UFC was withering on the vine, with one major cable company after another taking it off their systems, which led into the dark ages. Now, it's the biggest drawing PPV commidity around. Quite an amazing turnaround, and I've read you most of the way to guide me. Thank you, sir. Jeff Amen, Dave, Amen. Thanks for providing the tremendous, rational and needed counterpoint to the reaction on Lesnar's statements and actions from UFC 100. Honestly, I know stuff like this blows over for the most part and that MMA and pro-wrestling pale in comparison to the things that "really matter" in this world. Still, it makes me happy and satisfied that there is someone like you around who is there to provide sensible commentary when some journalists go off the rails with their arguments against either forms of entertainment such as in this case. There are so many worse things in the world of sports than what Lesnar said and did last night and some writers or MMA hardcore fans all-too easily forget that in order to slam a former pro-wrestler who is succeeding despite their desire to see him fail. --Ari Berenstein, Brooklyn NY-- thumbs up..best gsp/alves...worst fitch/lucky punch thiago. Sorry jon... at my party i bet a buck on bisping just for the hell of it. As i suspected he had nothing for hendo. Its hard to think of where he goes now. Maybe they can create a european belt for him... alves looked tough and wanted the belt..but the white bruce lee shut him down. I think hes cleaned out 170 and should move up. Either now or after 1 more defense. brock is the man. Won 30 bucks on him. I will agree the coors light thing was over the line...but the getting on top of my wife thing was gold. The smile on sables face behind him when he said it was even better. She still looks pretty good after all the years and popping out a kid. Matt Vandeventer .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Dave, I could not agree more with your comments about the Lesnar reaction in today's update. I am a true die hard pro wrestling/WWE fan since 1989 who has made the transition to MMA fan as well largely in part of Lesnar but also partly because there are striking similarities to the product: The emotion. I have attended UFC 98 event and weight ins, the fan expo, and UFC 100 event and weigh ins live and I can tell you with all honesty that UFC events/fights have pulled the same passion, intensity, and emotional rollercoasters out of me with Evans/Machida, Hughes/Serra, Bisping/Henderson, Lesnar/Mir, and GSP/Alves that rival any Hart/Michaels, HHH/Austin, Benoit/Guerrero, or Rock/Angle matches that I have witnessed live. Crowd reactions for GSP, Serra, and Henderson that have rivaled those of Rock, Austin, Hogan, and Undertaker that I have witnessed live. The build up. The UFC does a great job of promoting fights and giving fans access to the real fighters, their real opinions, and the real issues that need to be resolved within their fights. Then when it's all said and done they do not force feed us who is the heel and who is the face in the situation... they leave it up to us and our own opinion on who we want to cheer, who we want to boo, and who we want to pay to see win or lose... which is something I swore Vince McMahon would like to believe he applies to WWE and it's fans yet that is truly not the case. There are also aspects of the UFC that WWE could not provide to it's fans that would be a dream come true . Media coverage:UFC also has media coverage and exposure that the WWE will never have as well.... I always dreamed as a kid of one day picking up a newspaper and reading results of saturday nights main event, PPV's, and prime time wrestling on the front page of the sports section being treated with respect and relevance yet that day will never come. Yet to my delight the Las Vegas Review Journal that I purchased this morning in the airport before my flight home to San Diego had Lesnar and the cover with front page sports features on the fight(profiling Lesnar/Mir and GSP/Alves with little mention of Henderson/Bisping) that really personifies how fast this sport is growing and where the company is really headed in regards to media acceptance(the story on the yahoo change from MMA to UFC is a solid example as well). Fan Expo: I have attended 4 wrestlemania's live as well as multiple fan axxess events and I can honestly tell you that UFC fan expo delivered a similiar experience on par with what WWE solidly delivers from their axxess events. Fighter access was great for the fans. I got the opportunity to meet and greet Rashad Evans, Forrest Griffin, Diego Sanchez, Shane Carwin, Gabriel Gonzaga, Urijah Faber, Marcus Davis, Gray Maynard, Mike Brown, Miguel Torres, Leonard Garcia, Ben Henderson, and Nick Diaz + many more. Nick Diaz?, Hell, that was like going to WWE fan axxess and getting an autograph from Jeff Jarret... absolutely amazing and all the above mentioned fighters as well as the one's I left out were absolute class acts who are representing the sport well and treated myself and the rest of the fans with the utmost respect that I truly appreciate and will never forget. The most hilarious sidenote of the weekend to me being a pro wrestling fan was seeing Marty "champain" Gardner and Al Snow at the UFC 100 weigh ins! What was Al Snow doing there with a huge camera acting like a photograpsher? Also seeing Bobby Lashley at the fan expo was funny as well. I got him to sign my UFC 100 program and take a pic with me after my wife told a story of us meeting him at universal city walk in Los Angeles and that we knew who he was and appreciated him before any of the MMA fans even knew who he was. He smiled and gladly abliged and then proceeded to leave the expo in a hurried fashion. Fans can say what they want to say about Lesnar but the facts are that he draws money, he brings new fans in(including myself) and he is doing what he has done best given his experience in WWE to capitalize on his success and draw heat as a performer/athlete that will turn into buyrates, ratings, and bigger paychecks. I strongly believe he is intelligent enough to play his cards right and remain champion for a long time. Thanks Dave for all you and your team do with the site! -Jose Rodriguez Pro wrestling/MMA fan Murrieta, Californa I could not agree more with your piece on Brock Lesnar and UFC. The media overreaction is typical to what most of them "think" WWE is all about. I am more of a pro wrestling fan than MMA, but I thought the UFC 100 was very entertaining and a lot of that had to do with Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir. Thanks again for your excellent coverage, Phil Strum Poughkeepsie Journal TJ Simers of the LA Times is the Brock Lesnar of columnists. He writes to be hated. He basically writes the same article over and over again. He introduces a topic and finds an aspect that should be talked about and should be taken to task. But instead of presenting a rational argument, he instead sensationalizes it using hyperbole and the proverbial sharp stick, poking at it over and over and over again. In other words, he is a douche. He gets a lot of heat in the LETTERS section of the paper. His editors must love the guy because he gets people talking and has been around a while. He is no Jim Murray, though. Adam R Brock freakin rules! On the poll today, I'm one of the few who very rarely buys a PPV, UFC or otherwise. But I bought that sum bitch last night for two reason — Brock and Henderson. Sweet Daisy Fuentes did it deliver! I've been a Brock fan since Day 1 in WWE. I rooted for him in the NFL and now I've followed him to UFC. That promo last night has to be the best mic work he's ever done anywhere. I'm no MMA purest, I'm a pro wrestling fan. But I respect the farts out of what all these guys do and how hard they train. It's unlike any sport on Earth. Last night's show was everything I'd hoped for as a fan of watching people get the crapped kicked out of them. The last shot Henderson delivered was unsportsman like, but it was still pretty cool. The shows building up to the PPVs the last couple of months are exactly what WWE/TNA need to do. Make it simple and make it believable. Your rant today should be on the front page of any and all MMA boards. You guys did great work leading up to this and UFC 100 get a thumb, fist and forearm straight up somebody's ass! Chad Eiler Bentonville, Ark.
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