Monday, 02 April 2012 09:29
The two main matches delivered, but here’s the problem. You had tons of eyeballs watching this PPV. How you don’t let Bryan-Sheamus go twenty minutes is beyond me. This company had 7 guys (if you count HBK) in the top 3 matches and 5 of them aren’t there to carry the brand on a day-to-day basis for the future. This show needed to make new stars while the viewership was high. Where are the stars? You got Cena, Orton and Punk….that’s it. That 18 second match actually hurt Sheamus, didn’t do anything for Bryan and made the World Title a joke. I’ve been a wrestling fan for 32 years. I only order Wrestlemania out of all the PPV. There is zero reason to watch anything else.
Thumbs Up Show
Best Match: Undertaker vs HHH (whomever sends anything else is your trolling vote)
Worst match: Diva’s match
I guess I’m in the minority in saying that Taker vs HHH was among the best Mania matches in history. Granted, I didn’t see the Richards/Elgin match that everyone’s raving about and that may have affected my opinion of this match. I thought that the moment when Shawn superkicked Taker into the Pedigree they actually got me to believe that was the finish, which I didn’t think was possible. I, and everyone else in the room, gasped when Hunter was about to smash Taker in the head with the sledgehammer. Shawn was beyond perfect in his role and it definitely wouldn’t have been the same without him there. The conflict that he portrayed between helping his best friend but also preserving his own legacy was a work of art. I just absolutely loved this match and can’t imagine anything topping it for match of the year.
The rest of the card I was pretty much in agreement with you and Brian on the opinions. Rock/Cena was right around 4 stars, Punk/Jericho could’ve been 4 stars plus but they couldn’t get the crowd for the majority of it so it definitely fell short. I was utterly pissed off at the Bryan/Sheamus match and was fully expecting him to come out later in the show, address the people that chanted for him and then have Brodus Clay come out and squash him again. I’m glad that didn’t happen. The good news is that Bryan seemed to take it well and I do remember a guy getting squashed in 30 seconds at a Wrestlemania and going on to have a pretty good career after marrying the boss’ daughter so maybe there’s hope for Bryan....
Bunch of buddies watched event, we all loved it.
I was fine with opener. That happens in real fights all the time, a quick KO because one guy didn't 'protect himself at all times' and the smart marks who crying about it are funny. It set ton that 'what you expect may not happen' which they needed because Punk, Taker and Rock all were going over just as expected. Orton didn't go as expected but, really, who cares about him these days. See him too much and he's clearly bored with himself as much as we are.
Yeah, the crap Divas match got longer but by then I needed to hit the bathroom and it served it's purpose.
Punk v Y2J was good, but not the classic I hoped. Loved Taker v HHH, booked very well and Taker clearly in shape. Felt faster paced than last year too. Loved Hunter mentally getting crushed in the end and almost admitting "Okay, I can't beat you - but fuck you".
Rock did as well as anyone could have expected. He's not what he was in 2001 but, come on, anyone who was holding him to those standards probably expects Sunny to still look like she did in 1997 too.
Weird finish in my eyes... interesting to see if they going to have Cena go 'off the deep end' and become obsessed with rematch like HBK was vs Undertaker.
All in all, we had 9 people watching from old time fans to newer fan to a girlfriend who just knew Rock from movies and everyone had a blast.
Watched with 5 other people and we all had a great time, groups make UFC and WWE PPV better. Well worth the $35 we pay in Australia.
Thumbs way up. I felt overall this mania delivered in both match quality and spectacle more then the last 2 or 3 mania shows.
Best Match: Hell in a Cell
Worst Match: The Divas, I don't consider Bryan/Sheamus a match
Bryan v Sheamus was disappointing and now the last two WHC changes were in less then a minute. If it were Henry v Sheamus then Sheamus should have kicked the head off the monster to win the belt, Bryan needed some sort of defense, but I guess his character was someone who runs.
Orton v Kane, nobody cared, I wanted it to be later so I could use it as a toilet break, this means nothing.
Cody v Show sucked, They should have used it to make a new star. Cody has so much potential. He had better not re-emerge with the mask and a broken face.
Divas, again nobody cared and we skipped it due to an earlier need to pause the live show.
The Hell in a Cell was amazing. Takers hair wasn't as bad as expected. These two can still tear the house down, and Shawn added a lot. I haven't bought Taker losing for a long time but they built up the drama well and exceedd lat year. I can't wait to see Taker again in Jan/Feb, Once a year matches for as long as possible could be a great way for him to go for as long as he still has the passion. Interesting to see when/if we see HBK and HHH again. I thought this was a good time for a Lesnar run in tearing the Cell open, but they got their end of an era moment instead.
The 12 man was filler, glad to see Miz do something, I'm one of the few who thinks he can be a credible main eventer, and a heel GM is more interesting them long past his welcome Teddy Long.
Rock v Cena was a good match, lots of hype, too much random bands. Getting Puff Daddy is huge. Glad to see Rock winning setting up a rematch, and again no Lesnar. Surprised I didn't hear a "You've still got it chant" because Rock still has it, they worked well and the crowd was hot.
WWE needs to return to a closed roof arena. The crowd were great tonight on TV but would be so much better with a roof.
Mitchell Ayre, Newcastle, Australia.
Best Match: HHH v Take
Worst MAtch: Divas
A really good card. The good stuff outweighed the bad stuff. Even the comedy was shrug it off bad, instead of Smackdown ungodly awful (Natalya farting).
Too bad Daniel Bryan only got 18 seconds - and not even one offensive move. I guess they're saving that match for Chicago. But with the same finish. Can't wait for Sheamus to start his next big feud with Kane.
I guess they moved Mario Menounos to the second spot because she had to fly to LA for Monday's Dancing With the Stars. Otherwise, why didn't they save that match for the "death spot"? Jericho and Punk managed to bring the crowd back by the finish, but they had to kill themselves, after the crowd had seen HHH v Taker.
Where they go from here is anyone's guess. Lesnar challenging Cena makes no sense - you're just having your top guy put over the big star from 2002 and now he's going to put over the top star from 2005. Maybe HHH and Taker do a promo and Lesnar comes in and F-5s both of them - setting up Lesnar v HHH for SummerSlam and Lensar v Taker for WM 29.
Thumbs up for Mania.
The first hour was not good, but the show picked up after undertaker/HHH, which was match of the night.
While not happy about Daniel Bryan, I'm not going to let that stop me from judging the rest of the show on its merits.
- Beth did a fantastic job wrestling herself in the divas match.
- Taker vs HHH was awesome. I re-watched it tonight and it didn't lose anything for me, in fact I think some of the psychology worked a bit better knowing where they were headed. Shawn in particular was outstanding in selling the importance.
- Punk vs Jericho was very good, and I look forward to where they go from here.
- I thought Cena vs Rock was extremely good given everything surrounding it. The right man won on the night, and I don't think its too hard to rebuild Cena after it. Both men worked well, the match was what it had to be, and they played the audience well.
There were issues (timing, the whole first hour...) but overall, a good wrestlemania with 3 very good or outstanding matches, and a good atmosphere.
A lot of people seem to think that the storyline around the Bryan match works, but I don't really think it's unfair for people who paid for this show to be upset that one of the billed "main events" was basically not delivered. And since that happened at the very beginning of the show, it really, really soured me on the rest of the show. I don't give a fuck what the rematch and booking plans are, for me personally, that match was probably the thing I was looking most forward to. That was also true last year.
To make up for that, the rest of the show would have to be excellent, and it wasn't. Taker vs. Triple H was really good, but not really my kind of match, and I thought Punk vs. Jericho was a pretty average Mania main event. The lack of heat and slow pace early hurt it. Rock vs. Cena felt special, and the finish was good, but building the match around a bear hug (the least interesting move in professional wrestling history) and two extraordinarily poorly executed submissions had everyone at my party (mostly non-fans) commenting on how boring and unrealistic the match seemed. We were all taken out of it. Did Rock almost pass out from boredom in the STF? Is that what that was?
And since the entire midcard roster is treated like meaningless jobbers, nothing else really even mattered on this show, even though it was all fine in the ring. That's their own damn fault, and that's why I hated the Mania build. That's what happens when your top babyfaces, Triple H and Rock, continually send the very clear message that the everybody backstage sucks but the old guys and e booking follows suit.
This show was not worth $65, especially with the opening slap to the face in the Daniel Bryan match. A friend was nice enough to kick in $20, and I still don't think the show was worth $45. Maybe if I had paid $30, I wouldn't have felt ripped off. But I do.
This show will lose them more viewers than it gains them, I think, for a lot of reasons.
- Sajid Shahriar from PWChronicle.com
Thumbs up (barely)
Best Match: Undertaker vs. HHH
Worse: Divas tag
This was a 3 match show. The rest just seemed like filler. The Sheamus/Bryan match was a disgrace. They have time to show garbage commercals and have time for epic failures like Flo Rida (god awful music), but no time for a title match. Kane and Orton was OK but seemed like just a regular Smackdown match. Show/Rhodes was so/so and just seemed like a regular Smackdown match. Of course, leave it to WWE to have a champion get pinned by an outsider, but since it was a Diva's match, does not matter at this point. Then later they have Flo Rider punk out Heath Slater, WWE is such marks for any garbage talent they can find. Basically the first hour of this show was an epic fail. Second hour picked up with a terrific HHH/Taker match and was easily match of the night. Great work by all three. Team Teddy vs. Team Johnny was jobber time. Another useless match. Punk/Jericho was very good but did not feel like a title match at all, and the crowd was dead. Rock/Cena was very good and had the big match feel but not even close to biggest match of all time hype. Well worked and the crowd was awake for it. I was awaiting for a Lesnar run in but looks like that is being saved for Raw tonight. Overall I will not remember this show a week from now, but can still remember WM3.
I waited until this morning to send along my feedback. I'm still extremely disappointed by this Wrestlemania.
Best match: Rock-Cena
Worst match: Teddy-Johnny
Like many I was completely turned off by squashing Bryan in 20 seconds for the first match of the night. How does it make sense to push a guy for months on TV and then just destroy him in the biggest event of the year? I don't get it.
Kane-Orton and Rhodes-Show were nothing special. I thought the crowd seemed completely dead for all of these matches.
The Divas actually didn't bother me as much as usual. Maria seemed to tough it out.
The tag match was a complete joke. Why even bother with this? I will say I do like Miz getting the pin. He seems right to play a strong heel with Johnny. Besides, who else do they have? This showed the "lack of talent" people constantly talk about. There was not one person in this match you could legitimately say sells tickets. That's sad.
I've heard a lot of talk about HHH-Taker being a great match. Not sure I saw it. Takers' back might be the most memorable moment of the night and I'm not sure that's a good thing. Good storyline and entertaining. But I didn't see this as more than a 3 or 3.5 star match.
Punk-Jericho was not what I thought it would be. Was Punk hurt? What was happening here. This match was why I bought the PPV and they simply didn't deliver. I have no problem with the end and will be eager to see how the story goes from here as they go to Chicago. They will try to recapture the magic of last summer, right? Maybe not.
Rock-Cena delivered. Good match. I'd give it 4 stars, even if the Rock was gassed. It was the only time you could tell the crowd was hot and the math felt like Wrestlemania. I loved the ending. Cena did a great job selling his exit. More than anything else his exit made me want to watch tonight.
Overall, just a pathetic state of affairs though. Four of the six main eventers are not full-time wrestlers. We won't see Taker again until next year. Who knows with Rock. Jericho will be gone again soon. And HHH is in and out. They'll keep leaning on Cena and hope Punk somehow grows into the Austin-like performer that he can be when he's at the top of his game.
With all the attention they did absolutely nothing to put anyone more over than they were last week. A wasted opportunity.
Slight thumbs down - if Cena had won it would have been a big thumbs
down. Too much stupid stuff/filler for a thumbs up and having
perhaps your best wrestler lose in 10 seconds is inexcusable.
I heared your audio for Wrestlemania...and While I did not order the PPV do to having no interest in any match on the card BUT the Daniel Bryan / Sheamus match along with WWE PPV's costing to much I haven't odered a WWE PPV since Dec 2001............. I did watch DragongateUSA this weekend and a lost cheaper.
and I disagree with you IF I had ordered Wrestlemania THAT was the match I wanted to see.... so I disgree with the statement you made saying that was not a match people would have paided to see........
my question is how do you know that? you assuming that is the case...... I grant you most fans would want to see HHH VS Undertaker or Rock and Cena....but to say Bryan and Sheamus was not match people would have ordered to see.. that is so wrong There are fans out their who would have ordered Mania to see that match..
While I didn't order the Event if I had that match would have been the reason why. because I'm a big Daniel Bryan fan.
any way back to Daniel Bryan.. late at night I read the reports of what happen and I was pissed and I found the match online saw it and thought it sucked it was a big insult to both Bryan and Sheamus having a 18 seconds match. if WWE wanted to have a match to Beat Kane vs Chavo....then Big Show Cody could have been that match....
I mean for Bryan and Sheamus last year they were cut from the card and shoved into a Dark match this year they get on the card only to have a 18 second match. I feel both guys have every right to be pissed off and insulted......If I was in their place I sure as hell would have felt insulted.
I did pick Bryan to win and the fact Sheamus won doesn't bother me what bothers me is how they were treated thy didn't get a chance to put on a good match for the fans...at Wrestlemania..which would mean more then a Rematch at the next PPV.
I've about had it with WWE and all their BS they pull for years I ignore most of it...but this issue with Bryan is to much.. I've been a Wrestling fan since 1983 when I was 15yrs old and enjoyed WWE among other promotions...but after this, I've had it and I'm just going to stick to watching indy shows. , ROH and DragongateUSA, PWG and others like that. I get more excietment watching them then I do WWE now a days.
I've been a casual fan for many years, though I pretty much missed the whole "attitude era" thing, and this is actually the first PPV I ordered, and mostly keep up via site recaps. My impression is the writers basically got together and said "You know, we really don't want anyone to look weak in the marquee matches, so let's make sure both guys get really frustrated when the other kicks out of their finisher despite being totally exhausted. That way both guys look strong and there's no loser. Oh, unless one of the guys came from the indie circuit, then let's see how fast we can squash him".
So yeah, there were some really good matches -- but after HHH/Undertaker it all seemed like more of the same to me. I did appreciate the old school touches for Rock/Cena -- collar / elbow, arm drags, and Rock's arm staying up on the third check in the STF. I was surpised the women's match went as long as it did, and I really didn't want to feel like I switched over to a bad MTV music video before the main event, but overall I guess the good outweighed the bad. I was mildly surprised at Punk retaining and Rock going over clean, and disappointed no Brock and not much creativity. Bottom line is a thumb ever so slightly up.
Thumbs in the middle
Best match: Jericho vs Punk
Worst match: Bryan vs Sheamus
As if I needed any reminder as to why I don't watch this company's dreadful product any more, I was reminded very quickly when one of the matches I was most interested in was given a whopping five seconds. We got ripped off last year when they pulled the same match away from us (and I was there live last year so I at least saw their entrances before). And for what? Some stupid skits and bland musical performances? Oh right, and a very dull Kane/Orton match that went way too long. I hate this company, and won't watch a single show of theirs until next year, in all likelihood.
The Hell in a Cell match was decent, although both have been involved in much better matches, both HIAC and otherwise. It was good, and if nothing else fascinating because at first it seemed like they were hellbent on hardwaying each other, with all the headbutts and running facefirst into the cage. Good drama later on, although I don't think they pulled off the same dramatic gotcha moment they did last year.
The Rock/Cena match was fine, although little more than that. Rock actually did admirably well for coming off a ten year layoff, but was nowhere near his former self. I wouldn't even say it was a disappointing match, and I enjoyed the finish. I feel there are lots of interesting places they can go from there.
In all, a show that had some good moments, as I thought the duelling GMs match was fun, Johnny's suit was even more fun, and his victory celebration was funnest of all. The girls were better than I've come to expect, with Kelly nearly giving me a heart attack with her flip dive that she somehow survived. But the utter contempt Vince seems to have for many of the hardcore fans and his best single worker is just infuriating. If he can't be interested in putting on good shows with good wrestling, I can't be bothered to give him my money or time.
I go to the show live when I can, although this weekend, where I only caught the big show, confirmed what I've suspected since I started traveling out: I'm out for a WRESTLING weekend, and as such ROH and DGUSA are the real highlights, and missing them all this year was a real shame.
Too many good matches to give a thumbs down, but too much bullshit to call a thumbs up.
Thumbs in the middle
Best match: Rock Vs Cena
Worst Match: Bryan Vs Sheamus
This should have been the best show of the year and probably still will be the best WWE show however I could not enjoy it one bit after the horrific start to the show. I thought Bryan got a great reaction from the Miami crowd and the finish made no sense whatsoever as it hurt Bryan badly and really did nothing for Sheamus. It felt like Vince getting his giggles at the indy crowds who were chanting Bryan's name all weekend long and nothing more. That's two years in a row these two have been robbed of the wrestlemania moment and it left a sour taste in my mouth as below average wrestling followed, given how much time was wasted on music, hype videos, backstage skits, entrances and bad matches I simply can't understand why they would do this to the best wrestler they have. Taker/ HHH, Punk/ Y2J and Rock/ Cena were all very good matches and by the end I thought it was worthwhile but the opening match stuck in my mind because it came across as a petty "F-You" surely not something you should be concerning yourself with on the so called grandest stage of them all.
Rating: Thumbs slightly up
Best Match: HHH vs. Undertaker
Worst Match: Divas and Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus
I want to begin and say that once again for the second straight year they buried both Sheamus and Daniel Bryan. Think about it Daniel Bryan got less time to be in the ring then the stupid Funkasaures routine and even the damn Divas had more time than Daniel Bryan. Daniel Bryan being one of the hardest workers in the WWE gets buried for no damn reason in a match I thought would be the best one on the card. Sheamus also got buried. Last year’s Wrestlemania he wasn’t even on the card after his match with HHH, now he gets only 18 seconds to get a title victory. Sheamus had a chance to shine and show off his skills in the rink since he has improved greatly. I thought we could’ve seen a very good hard hitting technical match but no WWE SCREW us again. After this match like last year I almost turned off the computer because it just wasn’t worth it. The one thing I did enjoy were the chants for Daniel Bryan before the Hell in a Cell match. Maybe WWE should’ve taken note of that but I guess they truly don’t care.
Divas match was atrocious but I’m not surprised. I was really wishing Kharma would come out and destroy all of the Divas. If the Divas ever put on a decent match I will be surprised and I mean it because there is nothing the Divas can do right
Kane vs. Orton
Decent match thought it was given a good amount of time and the chokeslam spot at the very end was really unique. Probably going to advance their feud a little further at Extreme Rules.
Show vs. Rhodes
Honestly I was really really hoping for Goldust vs. Cody. I think Goldust could’ve put him over better than Show. Plus Goldust did a lot of great work against Sheamus a few years back. Hopefully next Wrestlemania it happens. Now Show has held every belt the WWE has had except for the European title. Hopefully Rhodes is on the rise in the end because he deserves it.
HHH vs. Taker HIAC
Phenomenal. Thrilling. Exciting. Too many words to explain. I thought I was watching HBK from Taker a couple years back. Surprised not to see any chairshots to the head or any blade or busted open incidents. The match was really well worked with Taker using a lot of his MMA style punches. HHH came back with some dominating punches of his own and they went back and forth. Taker controlling the early part made a good story of HHH almost not fighting back and taking a lot of punishment. Then HHH taking over with chair shot after chair shot was amazing and it was cringing in my opinion. I was cheering for the first time and ages for a match. Great ending with HHH being defiant and HBK was telling such a great story by not ending it or ending it he was in a real debate with himself. HBK superkick was a surprise but I knew he was going to get involved. The curtain call was great with all three of them at the top of the stage. A lot of respect for the both of them. I was happy about that. This I think should be a 5 star match just because of the story and the way the match was presented. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT FIVE YEARS AGO.
Team Johnny vs. Team Teddy
Some good spots at the very end the match. Tired of Eve and Ryder gimmick. Ziggler, Swagger, and now Henry wouldn’t say that before after watching his title run, have been under-utilized. Swagger needs a push, Ziggler really needs a push, and I think a strong Henry vs. Sheamus feud could end up being a really great match.
Punk vs. Jericho
What else do you expect from these two. They put on a strong match with going at it. I think Jericho should go a bit back to when he was a high flyer with some of his spots because Jericho is a pretty good high flyer and so is Punk. The Anaconda Vice spots were pretty strong with the knees to the head to get out of the hold by Jericho. Then the second one with Punk readjusting and Jericho tapping out was a nice spot. I think at Extreme Rules they may give them a ladder match or another type of gimmick to help improve the story.
Rock vs. Cena
Matched lived up to its hype at the very end. The end of the match came around strong and the finish was great. Rock going over was a bit of a surprise but we need to see what happens with Cena I just hope it’s not like a cry baby routine about losing. I think it was very slow at first and the Rock said he was training with Curt Hawkins and Joe Henning even putting them over greatly before his match, WWE should take notice. Cena had his usual spots with the spin out powerbomb, five knuckle shuffle, and an FU. I honestly thought they were going to do a top rope FU spot like they did with Lashley a few years ago. Cena didn’t even have the STF properly locked in I thought. My one HUGE problem with the match was the Rock calling the spots. I clearly heard him talking to Cena and he even called for the spinebuster leading into the People’s Elbow. I thought that was sketchy. Overall, weak beginning but strong finish.