MON. UPDATE: Fireworks at Silva-Sonnen call, Cena promises to make history tonight, Fedor interview tonight, Brazilian star, Weekend shows, Shawn Michaels on TV this week but not on Raw, New promotion
Monday, 25 June 2012 13:49
By Dave Meltzer
We're looking for your thoughts on last night's ROH iPPV, Saturday night's UFC show as well as Friday night's UFC show, so you can leave a thumbs up, thumbs down or thumbs in the middle along with a best and worst match to
We're looking for live reports from Raw tonight in Fort Wayne, IN, with attendance, Superstars results, dark matches and anything not evident on the live show. Scheduled for the show is John Cena making a "history making announcement," and they are billing a Paul Heyman response to HHH. Chris Jericho returns tonight and Vickie Guerrero is General Manager for both tonight and tomorrow night's tapings. Plus a superstar from the past returns.
We're also looking for reports on today's yesterday's Raw house show in Huntington, WV and Saturday night's Smackdown house show in Springfield, IL.
Smackdown will be taped on Tuesday in Evansville, IN at the Ford Center.
We've got thoughts on an MMA Hall of Fame, who definitely belongs in, who should be considered, and who shouldn't be in, as one of the lead stories in the new issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter. The issue also includes an update on WWE after No Way Out, full coverage of the show, New Japan PPV coverage and the career of its top star, Hiroshi Tanahashi, two of the biggest promotions in the world combine for a show in two weeks, what moved the Raw ratings, as well as plans for an annual tradition that will be the MMA equivalent to WrestleMania.
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We look at a number of questions regarding an MMA Hall of Fame, how it would differ from a UFC Hall of Fame, the weakness of the UFC Hall of Fame, who is in the UFC Hall of Fame, who are the most talked about people who could be in that aren't and why, questions regarding Brock Lesnar, Tank Abbott, Gina Carano, Bob Sapp and other notable attractions of the past.
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--TNA star in a TV feud in Mexico
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--Updated Mexico TV ratings
--Changes in AAA booking explained
--A look at the angles leading into TripleMania along with new major matches added to the show
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--Notes on All Japan's annual junior heavyweight tournament
--Mitsuharu Misawa Memorial show notes
--What wrestler from the past got carried away on that show and ended up hurt
--Notes on NOAH's next big show
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--Notes on 2012 Fire Festival tournament
--Shinjiro Otani anniversary show
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--ROH upcoming dates
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--Early Slammiversary numbers
--Update on Chris Sabin and Matt Morgan in TNA
--Notes on the Bound for Glory tournament
--What is different from last year
--What still doesn't make sense from the tournament
--Thoughts on TNA's X Division title and what it's worth right now
--Who TNA should make a push to get
--Notes on Eric Young's new TV show
--Notes on TNA female star competing in a national bikini contest
--Update on King Mo
--Notes on weekend TNA house shows
--A major UFC tradition they are looking at starting
--Behind the Feijao suspension and how that screws up the Strikeforce light heavyweight title picture
--Notes on the weekend UFC shows
--The controversy over Clay Guida's hair
--Alistair Overeem talks his return and what he said that doesn't make sense
--Notes on how other sports are now doing on Saturday nights
--Health update on Demetrious Johnson
--News on lots of UFC special TV programming
--How FOX is going to help promote the upcoming major shows
--Why there is an extra PPV match at UFC 148
--Lots more UFC card changes
--U.K. ratings for UFC
--Thoughts on the latest judging snafu
--More on drug testing in UFC
--Former trainer files suit against Anderson Silva
--Notes on UFC's return to the U.N.
--New Bellator signees
--Pacquiao vs. Bradley business notes
--International group with a long-term TV deal
--Updating the Bob Sapp career
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Monday's News Update
--Bryan and I will be back for the final night of almost nightly shows, covering Raw and the latest news. You can also send in questions for the show at
--Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen had a strange press conference call this morning. It was Silva, not Sonnen, who was cutting the pro wrestling promos until apparently storming out of the room and hanging up or being disconnected 30 minutes into what is usually a one hour call. Sonnen also hung up at the time, and at the 34 minute mark, Dana White abruptly ended it, even though Tito Ortiz and Forrest Griffin were there. There were apparently more than 100 media on the line and only a small percentage had asked questions when Silva and Sonnen left.
Some quotes from Silva, through manager/translate Ed Soares:
"Chael's a criminal and when I get the chance, I'm going to break every bone in his face and break all the teeth in his mouth."
On the last fight: "People who live in the past, people in the past are in museums. I'm focused on what's going to happen in the next few weeks. Play time is over. The joke is over. The game is over. I'm going to beat his ass out of the UFC. He's never going to want to fight again after I'm done with him."
"I'm going to make him pay and make him eat everything he said, not only about myself, but about my country. I'm going to make him never disrespect another fighter again. I'm going to beat him the way his parents should have beaten him to teach him manners. He's disrespectful. He's a criminal. He can say whatever he wants. He's going to get beaten like he's never been beaten before. I'm not playing anymore."
"The first time we fought, he stepped out the loser. He's going to this time, but this time he's going to have to see a plastic surgeon after the fight."
Sonnen, when asked about the first fight, said:
"All that happened is Anderson found himself in a fight for the first time. He's a really good set up guy. His skills are still amateur. You walk into a fist fight with your hands down, that's amateur."
"What I'm going to do to Chael will change the image of the sport. I'm going to break his arms, his legs and knock out every one of his teeth."
And later, when Sonnen was asked about everything Silva said, he said,
"I've got two words for him, medium rare." (in reference to Sonnen previously saying that after the fight he's going to have Silva's wife cook him a streak.
Dana White predicted in excess of 1 million buys for the fight. When Ant Evans said that it was going to be one of the biggest sports events of the summer, White said it was going to be one of the biggest sports events of the year. Chael Sonnen said it would be bigger than the Olympics, but I don't get the idea he really believed that.
--There was a web site glitch last night that if you knew about it, you could watch the ROH iPPV for free. The word got around but we're not sure how many people saw it, other than the site never crashed.
--Replays of last night's show are available at the ROHWRestling.com site.
--Fedor Emelianenko will be a guest on Inside MMA tonight on HDNet talking about why he is retiring and what would bring him out of retirement. Urijah Faber will be in studio tonight as well, talking his fight with Renan Barao on 7/21.
--R-Truth is in Fort Wayne at the show tonight. Not positive he'll return but it doesn't make much sense for him to be there if he isn't returning. He's been out with a broken foot.
--Ultimate Fighter Brazil airs tonight at 6 p.m, on Fuel, followed by UFC Tonight at 7 p.m., Ultimate Insider at 7:30 p.m. and the UFC 68 show, Randy Couture vs. Tim Sylvia for the heavyweight title in a legendary fight, at 8 p.m.
--Sting will be doing rare TNA house show appearances on 7/20 in Aberdeen, MD and 7/21 at the annual BaseBrawl show at Cyclone Stadium in Brooklyn. The latter is TNA's usual biggest drawing house show of the year and they try and add something special to the show each year.
Who came out of UFC 147 the best as a new Brazilian star?
Rony Jason 22.2%
Rodrigo Damm 19.4%
Sergio Morales 19.4%
Hugo Viana 8.3%
Cezar Ferreira 8.3%
Hacran Dias 7.4%
Francisco Trinaldo 6.5%
Thiago Perpetuo 4.6%
Marcos Vinicius 2.8%
Poll on Saturday's ROH TV show
59.2% of those responding didn't see the show
Should TNA sign Taelor Hendrix
If you previously watched ROH on iPPV, what best describes your thoughts on yesterday's show?
I'm not interested in ROH anymore 36.3%
Purchased the show 17.6%
Would be interested in the show but had other plans, Sunday at 5 p.m. was a bad time 16.2%
Burned by past iPPVs so skipping until they run a series of shows that work 11.5%
Not interested in this specific show 10.1%
Am watching illegally 7.9%
Best TV show of the past week
TUF Brazil 10.2%
UFC on FX main show 7.5%
UFC 147 prelims on FX 2.1%
UFC Tonight 2.1%
Titan Fighting Championships 1.6%
UFC on FX prelims on Fuel 1.1%
Inside MMA 1.1%
--Updates on the Extreme Rising shows:
Friday night in Corona, NY at the Elmcor Youth and Adult Activities Center
Jerry Lynn vs. Matt Hardy
Devon Storm vs. Homicide
Bestia 666 vs. Pesadilla
The Dramatics vs. Blk Out
Stevie Richards vs. Luke Hawx
Little Guido & Tony Mamaluke vs Blue Meanie & Balls Mahoney
Plus Sabu, Gary Wolf and C.W. Anderson
Saturday night in Philadelphia at the Pennsylvania National Guard Armory
Jerry Lynn vs. Homicide
Sabu vs. Devon Storm
Gangstas vs. Blk Out
Stevie Richards vs. Luke Hawx
Little Guido & Tony Mamaluke vs. The Dramatics
Plus Matt Hardy, Sandman, Perry Saturn, Blue Meanie, Gary Wolf, Balls Mahoney, C.W. Anderson Bestia 666 and Pesadilla.
--Evolve has three iPPVs this coming week on WWNLive.com
Thursday night in Ybor City, FL
El Generico vs. Samurai Del Sol
Chuck Taylor vs. Colt Cabana
AR Fox vs. Bobby Fish
Jon Davis vs. Tommy Taylor
Johnny Gargano vs Silas Young vs. Tony Nese vs. Alex Reynolds
Sara Del Rey vs. Santana Garrett
Friday night in St. Petersburg, FL
Johnny Gargano vs. Chuck Taylor for the Open the Freedom Gate title
El Generico vs. Silas Young
AR Fox vs. Jon Davis
Bobby Fish vs. Tommy Taylor
Samuray del Sol vs. Tony Nese
Cheech vs. John Silver
Live appearances from Ron Simmons, Kevin Sullivan, Mike Graham, Gerald Brisco, Bugsy McGraw and other Florida legends.
Saturday night in Jacksonville, FL
Johnny Gargano vs Silas Young for the Open the Freedom Gate title
Chuck Taylor vs. Samuray del Sol
AR Fox vs. Tommy Taylor
Bobby Fish vs. Jon Davis
--Shawn Michaels' MacMillan River Adventure television show on The Outdoor Channel begins its second season on 6/26, airing on Tuesday nights at 11:30 p.m. Eastern, Wednesday at 8 a.m. and Saturdays at 7 p.m. Outdoor doesn't have a staggered feed so for the West Coast, that's three hours earlier. On the first show of the season, Michaels heads to Zimbabwe, Africa to hunt for elephants.
--Scott D'Amore's Border City Wrestling returns from the dead with its first show in two years. The show takes place eon 8/24 in Windsor, ONT at the Croatian Centre headlined by Tyson Dux, Phil Atlas, Jaime D and more.
--Major Series Wrestling on 7/14 in Hamilton, ONT at the Germania Club.
--NWA Smoky Mountain Wrestling on 6/30 at the Kingsport Civic Auditorium was a Cage of Death in two rings, War Games style except it's a barbed wire cage and weapons are legal. They expect a big crowd for this one.
--Tommy Dreamer is starting up his own House of Hardcore Promotion with the debut show being 10/6 in Poughkeepsie at the Mid Hudson Civic Center.
--The Miami Herald at http://www.miamiherald.com
has an interview with Kevin Nash on his roles in "Rock of Ages" and "Magic Mike."
--Sarah D'Alelio of San Jose will replace the injured Kelly Kobold (who once beat ODB in an MMA fight in Minnesota), facing Vanessa Porto of Brazil on the 7/28 all-women's Invicta show in Kansas City at Memorial Hall. 2004 Olympic wrestling silver medalist Sara McMann faces Shayna Baszler in the main event. Many of the best woman fighters from around the world will be on this show.
--Progress Wrestling from yesterday in London: Lion Kid b Stixx, Mark Andrews b Mike Hitchman in a BWC Scarlo Scholarship match, Noam Dar b Darrell Allen, Danny Garnell b Jimmy Havoc, J.D. Darmer & Rob Sincaide b Wil Psoreay & Alex Esmail (Esmial broke his leg in two places in this match and will be out nine months), El Ligero over Greg Burridge and R.J. Singh, Nathan Cruz b Marty Scurll in 2/3 falls. Next show is 9/30 with Andrews vs. Xander Cooper (thanks to Martin Bentley)
--Eastern Wrestling Alliance from Saturday night in Feeding Hills, MA: Antonio Thomas won four-way over IM Valor, Dan De Man & Adrian Vine, The Mac DCOR Bobby Oceans, Punk n Prep United b The Purists, Mike Nice b Andy Bivians, Alex Cypher b Antonio Thomas, Diamonds of the Ring b Eastmen Worldwide in a War Game match.
--IWA East Coast on 7/21 in Campbells Creek, WV at Skateland with Masada, Mad Man Pondo, Danny Havok, Matt Tremont and Devon Moore.