THURS. UPDATE: Rousey TV, new WWE show, Nash explains why Michaels doesn't count, UFC odds, WWE hires new EVP, How much Vince earned last year, WWE in Japan, Forrmer UFC & TNA star in jail, and feelings on UFC in relation to PEDs
Thursday, 09 August 2012 13:57
*Rob Van Dam vs. Pope D'Angelo Dinero in the Bound for Glory series
*James Storm vs. Bully Ray in the Bound for Glory series
*A.J. Styles vs. Kurt Angle in the Bound for Glory series
The next G-1 Climax show is Friday (late tonight) in Niigata with Tetsuya Naito vs. Lance Archer, Yuji Nagata vs. Shelton Benjamin, Hiroyoshi Tenzan vs. MVP, Togi Makabe vs. Rush, Karl Anderson vs. Toru Yano, Satoshi Kojima vs. Minoru Suzuki, Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Yujiro Takahashi and Hirooki Goto vs. Kazuchika Okada. The tournament concludes with a show on Saturday at Korakuen Hall in Tokyo and Sunday at Sumo Hall in Tokyo which is a PPV show featuring eight singles matches and the championship match.
On Fuel tonight, UFC Tonight is at 8 p.m., Ultimate Insider at 8:30 p.m., Best of Pride at 9 p.m., Unleashed (with the first Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar fight) is at 10 pm. and Countdown to UFC 150 is at 11 p.m., with TUF Brazil at midnight.
We have our look at WWE quarterly financials as well as profitability of each sector as our lead story in the new issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter. We cover the WrestleMania quarter, including breaking down the financial numbers of the show, including how much more or less than wrestlers made from the show compared with the previous two years, company projects on profits for the rest of the year, as well as Vince McMahon and George Barrios talk the company's future.
We look at Vince McMahon's appraisal of the quarter, what was up, what was down, who and what they credited the increase in PPV to, update on network expenses, the difference in the current business model with that of the past, a look at the production of television in the fall, what the company says will be the result of adding a new TV show and a third hour of Raw and more.
We look at the investment in Tout, business in different international regions, breaking down WrestleMania, how much more the company took in this year and a profit estimate for the show. We also look at house show business, we've got a chart when it comes to PPV for the first six months of the last three years showing the annual increases from the bottoming out point.
We also look at what records from a business standpoint were set at WrestleMania, how the return of Brock Lesnar was different in different markets on PPV, a WWE vs. UFC comparison when it comes to television that is very telling, costs of producing a WWE television shoot, how much less talent made this quarter on merchandise royalties, magazine sales, as well as a breakdown of how much money every WWE movie has made or lost to date, an updated schedule of WWE movies as well as a breakdown of actual profits by division in WWE.
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--Update on lots of new UFC and Strikeforce matches
--A look at UFC 150
--Donald Cerrone looking past Melvin Guillard
--Dana White talks Forrest Griffin, Chris Leben, Matt Hughes, Nate Diaz and drug testing
--A look at Anderson Silva's prospective opponents
--Lorenzo Fertitta on the background of making Mir vs. Cormier
--Drug testing the Toronto show
--More on Josh Koscheck's injury
--Dana White changes his tune on TRT
--Roy Nelson on Alistair Overeem
--White's talks with Nate Diaz
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--Update on Georges St. Pierre
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Thursday's news update
--Some notes on the Ronda Rousey stuff on TV last night. She was on Conan O'Brien and Conan brought up if she was like a boxer and abstained from sex before a fight. She said that as a woman, having sex before competition increases your testosterone level (I have no idea if this is true) but noted that she didn't currently have a boyfriend so indicated she wasn't doing that before this fight.
There were jokes about all kinds of people who would be willing to help her in that predicament. People who didn't see the show are now on her case regarding the idea that as a role model for young girls, she was advocating them having premarital sex before they compete in sports. Okay, whatever. She's usually very good on these type of shows, but she wasn't nearly at the level of a lot of the prior interviews she's done, and it was more Conan carrying things.
Regarding the Showtime special on her, it was interesting to see the small thrashed place she still lives in, including having a flat screen TV that isn't hooked up and she doesn't get cable. She basically lives like a 21 year old guy with a roommate who never clean up. It really showed she had become a somebody very quickly. They pushed the Sarah Kaufman fight, which is what the show was designed to promote. Neither said anything negative about the other past Kaufman saying she thought it was unfair Rousey got a title shot at a weight class where she had never fought before because promoters thought they could sell Tate vs. Rousey with the two pretty girls and she thought as far as being a sport, that was completely unfair. Dana White was all over the piece talking about what a big fan he is of her, how she's got the charisma and said he could see her being the first woman fighter to compete in UFC. Quite frankly, I'm sure he'd like to have her on the UFC roster today. There were also clips of Gina Carano. When you see Carano and Rousey on the same show, even though Rousey is a better athlete and has more personality, Carano has a look and even a way of talking (as long as she's limited to short sound bites) that immediately makes her a superstar. But they are two completely different characters who both happen to be female fighters. But when the piece was over, if you saw it, Rousey did come across as a star.
--A note is that the new WWE Saturday Night Slam TV show that debuts on 8/25 on CW, will be a 30 minute show.
--Odds from 5Dimes on the next two weeks of MMA
Benson Henderson -200
Frankie Edgar +170
Ed Herman +165
Jake Shields -190
Donald Cerrone -320
Melvin Guillard +260
Justin Lawrence -110
Max Holloway -110
Buddy Roberts +450
Yushin Okami -600
Ronda Rousey -550
Sarah Kaufman +425
Roger Bowling +250
Tarec Saffiedine -300
--From Hector Lombard's Facebook:
"I want to let all my fans know, I fought my last fight injured. I wasn't 100% sure, but I went to the doctors, I have a fractured sternum with a torn cartilage, I got this injury in training for my fight with Tim Boetsch. I have to be out of training for six weeks. I should never have fought like that."
I know people hate to hear this, and the basic axiom is that everyone is hurt when they fight, but it was pretty clear this guy wasn't himself in that fight.
--WWE announced today the hiring of Parker Miller as the new Executive Vice President of Digital Media. He'll report to Stephanie McMahon-Levesque. His job is to oversee all planning and initiatives in digital media and social media on a global basis. He was the COO and a founder of Vocativ, a global digital media startup. This is part of the much broader picture of Stephanie and Paul Levesque getting their own team of senior management in place.
--The Olympics last night did an 18.6 rating and 30 share in the 55 metered markets last night. It did 28.75 million viewers in the fast nationals. We don't have final numbers at this time.
--Linda McMahon filed her tax returns and released them to the AP today. Vince & Linda McMahon earned a gross $24.1 million in 2011, down from more than $30 million in 2010. The difference stems from the change in WWE dividend structure which makes up more than 90% of the couple's income.
--Sunday's G-1 Climax finals at Tokyo Sumo Hall is almost sold out. That's not necessarily a great thing, because in the past that show would have sold out weeks ago.
--After the WWE show earlier today in the same building with the new stage that they brought, fans were asking New Japan why they don't bring a stage to their house shows.
--At the WWE show in Japan, a number of fans came dressed as Damien Sandow with the Sandow beard. He was not at the show.
--An interesting note is that Bushiroad, which is the company that owns New Japan Pro Wrestling, was the sponsor for today and tomorrow's WWE shows at Sumo Hall, even though they are competitors running the same building.
--The DDT promotion ran a show in Tokyo a couple of train stops away from WWE's show. There was a notable exit of fans before the main event of the DDT show leaving to catch the opener at the New Japan show. (thanks to Jose Gonzalez)
--Randy Orton, who is in Japan right now for the WWE tour, on twitter said that he was not wrestling at SummerSlam.
--Dave Doyle in an article on the Sports Illustrated web site talks about the potential for Saturday's Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar fight to be the match of the year. His listing for the top candidates this year were the first Henderson vs. Edgar match in Japan, Chan Sung Jung vs. Dustin Poirier and Joe Lauzon vs. Jamie Varner, voting for Zombie vs. Poirier as his pick. The story mentions the Observer newsletter's award winners of the past few years and runs them down as well.
--MMA fighter, broadcaster and former TNA performer Frank Trigg was arrested yesterday in Las Vegas on charges of battery dating back to a domestic violence allegation from last year and was being held on $15,000 bond with a hearing tomorrow. It's alleged that Trigg attempted to suffocate his wife. This story has been known for some time and was part of the reason Trigg is no longer announcing on HDNet (now AXS).
Who do you expect to win the G-1 Climax tournament?
Hiroshi Tanahashi 22.6% (wouldn't that sort of defeat the purpose?)
Kazuchika Okada 19.9%
Tetsuya Naito 15.6%
Yuji Nagata 11.8%
Naomichi Marufuji 7.0%
Hirooki Goto 4.3%
Shinsuke Nakamura 3.8%
Togi Makabe 2.7%
Yujiro Takahashi 2.2%
Hiroyoshi Tenzan 2.2%
Satoshi Kojima 2.2%
Do you expect the WWE Network to be a success?
Right from the start 3.6%
Not at first, but eventually 24.4%
What is your feeling on UFC in relation to drug testing?
They would like to eradicate PED use but not at the expense of losing a marketable fight 31.5%
It's all just a game played for the public, they know the game and are just playing it like most sports do 21.5%
They want to give the public the impression they went to eradicate PED use as much as possible, but they really don't care 17.0%
They are too lenient on the subject 16.1%
They are fair on the subject 7.4%
They truly want to eradicate PED use as much as is possible 3.5%
They are too harsh with those who test positive 2.9%
Who is the most valuable performer to WWE right now?
John Cena 51.4%
The Rock 26.4%
C.M. Punk 22.2%
If GSP fights Anderson Silva, will it break 1.6 million buys?
No it wouldn't before and wouldn't now 31.2%
It would have two years ago, but won't now 42.7%
--C.M. Punk got some pub in TMZ for a tweet yesterday, "Let's reward more drunk drivers with endorsement deals. Responsibility." That's in reference to the Jon Jones Nike deal that was finalized yesterday. That's resulted in hundreds of pages of message board overanalysis about how drunk driving is okay, cool, everybody does it, Punk is just attention starved, Punk made a brilliant move because he got press for himself like he did with Chris Brown but it's all a work and all that. Who knows, maybe that's an issue he actually cares about and was just giving his true feelings on the subject. But yeah, he's a wrestler, so it has to all be a work. If it wasn't a drug related issue and if it wasn't an issue the guy has talked about for a dozen years out of character, maybe. But given his history, it may not be this time. Granted, it is possible he just did it hoping for attention, but based on things he said privately even a few days ago, would bet against it.
--Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio today ripped on Punk saying that a pro wrestler doesn't have the right to criticize people in other sports because of all the deaths in their industry. Wow, you'd flunk sixth grade debating if that's the best point you can come up with. Shouldn't the radio host be at least as smart as goofs on message boards who come up with points at that level? (thanks to Charles Parker)
--Wagner Prado, who fought Phil Davis, is no longer upset about his fight being stopped. He is still having trouble seeing out of his right eye from the poke for Phil Davis. He flipped out in the cage, but now says that he didn't understand it at the time, but it was the right decision.
--Kevin Nash was on the Busted Open show today, kissing up to the top guys in WWE, HHH, Punk and John Cena. He was asked about UFC and said MMA got hot, people spent $60 for a PPV, the main event went 1:12 and people weren't so apt to buy another PPV for $60 the next month. Yes, he really said that. He said that's where pro wrestling has a big advantage over MMA because you know you're getting 20-25 minutes in the main event and you'll get your money's worth.
I agree with him that pro wrestling as a sustainable business has big advantages over MMA (MMA has some over pro wrestling as well, but MMA never proven anything over the long haul while pro wrestling has survived in this country for 130 years). I think it's more in the ability to protect top stars and feature the most marketable guys on top, while MMA has limitations because the most marketable guys may not be the best fighters, or even average fighters (Kimbo Slice) and even the best fighters deteriorate usually long before their box office peak would be.
But as far as short explosive main events, yeah, I remember all those Tyson fights bombing on PPV when he was in his prime. Sorry, I keep forgetting whenever Nash says something that doesn't hold up to an iota of thinking, he's just trolling for a response.
--On if Shawn Michaels fits into his comments on how small guys on top killed the business, he said Shawn was 6-1 1/2 and 225 pounds in his prime. Funny, Shawn in his Hall of Fame speech said he was 5-10 and 185.
--Some history notes. 36 years ago today in Fort Worth, TX, Kevin Von Erich made his pro wrestling debut defeating Paul Perschmann (who later became famous as Playboy Buddy Rose). Hall of Famer Jackie Sato, the most popular female wrestler of all-time before the era of the Crush Gals, passed away 13 years ago today from cancer at the age of 41. Iron Mike Sharpe Sr. (father of the WWE wrestler in the 80s), part of the legendary Sharpe Brothers tag team that were legendary in Japan, passed away 24 years ago today at the age of 65.
--Karyn Bryant, Jay Glazer, Ariel Helwani and Frank Mir will be the broadcast team this weekend for the UFC on Fuel stuff. The two shows will be the weigh-ins at 6 p.m. tomorrow Eastern time and the post-fight show at 1 a.m. Eastern.
--In Your Face Wrestling on 8/18 in Whitehall, NY at the Whitehall Athletic Club featuring the final four in the Coronation Cup.
--Wrestlelution 5 will be an iPPV show on Go Fight Live for $14.99 on 8/19 at 3 p.m. Eastern time with Jimmy Jacobs vs. Johnny Gargano for the Prime championship, Zach Gowen vs. Gregory Iron, Rhino vs. Jason Bane, Petey Williams vs. Matt Cross, Michael Facade vs. Gory in a casket match and Bobby Shields vs Bobby Beverly in a hair vs. hair match.
--CWE on 8/16 in Carman, Manitoba at the Community Hall and 8/18 in Portage La Prairie, Manitoba at the BDO Centre for the Community with Brian Christopher.