THURS. UPDATE: Crockett Promotions special, New Japan PPV match, Kurt Angle, Mid South DVD, WWE advertising this week, SI on Tate, UFC vs. WWE head-to-head, Ratings, Miz promoting and more
Thursday, 05 September 2013 13:48
By Dave Meltzer |
Impact tonight on Spike:
*Chris Sabin vs. Knux
*12 man Bound for Glory series gauntlet for 20 points
*Announcement of the semifinals of the BFG Series on 9/12 in St. Louis
*James Storm & Gunner vs. Garett Bischoff & Wes Brisco in a non-title match
*Bully Ray vs. Sting in a non-title match.
At 11 p.m. tonight, with Fight Master over, they have a special on Joe Warren on Spike, building up his PPV match on Saturday against Nick Kirk.
Lots of news in the Observers this week. This week's back issue on the web site is huge historically, as WCW had just taken the lead in the Monday Night Wars and WWF filed a lawsuit against them for the portrayal of Kevin Nash & Scott Hall. It was big at the time, and ended up even bigger historically. The wording of the lawsuit is almost hilarious when you consider how the booking turned out.
Our new issue talks more about the biggest stars in WWE and UFC and their marketability. We look at a number of wrestlers on the WWE roster and look at when their popularity peaked, when it fell, and interesting notes including when wins and losses matter a ton, who benefits most when heels constantly beat down babyfaces, and what WWE headliner is so much more effective as a heel than a face, "but you already knew that."
We also update Night of Champions and what key question will be answered about the WWE audience that weekend.
We've got full coverage of UFC 164, including the story behind Anthony Pettis' rise to stardom, business notes on the show, an old story involving The Crusher in Milwaukee, early PPV estimates, the future booking of Pettis and Jose Aldo, as well as match-by-match coverage with star ratings.
We also update UFC's move to Fox Sports 1 including many changes made over the past week, what the rating for last Wednesday's show said, a staggering note in the Condit vs. Kampmann two fight series and a TV analyst notes one reason Ultimate Fighter may be hurting this year as compared to the past.
We also look at the UFC roster when it comes to star power and compare it to three years ago and what type of star is missing. We look at UFC on Spike compared to ESPN and why the traditional sports network goal would not have been the best thing for growth. We look at the position UFC is in leading to its biggest four month period in years on PPV. We examine the top stars in UFC today and where they stand as well.
We also look at Konnan's interview where he talked about WWE attempting to buy AAA a few years ago. We look at what was going on at the time and why WWE would have been interested. We look at how things are different today. We look at WWE expansion plans and why they fell through. We look at why the deal didn't go through when it was proposed, as well as how it was proposed.
We also have more regarding WrestleMania in 2015 and 2016, WWE injury updates, more new names of WWE wrestlers, more on the WWE tryout camp, Dolph Ziggler update, more on Ted DiBiase Jr. leaving WWE and what his next plans are, Ted Sr. talks his son leaving, Mid South Wrestling DVD, Cody Rhodes wedding, Next wee's Raw, Total Divas, update on Shane McMahon, Memphis legends show as well as WWE weekend business note and house show highlights.
We also look at the career of retired former UFC lightweight champion Sean Sherk.
We've got coverage of the UFC show in Indianapolis, as well as an interesting note on UFC Fight Night business.
We also examine the controversy regarding Bellator's Kong Mo vs. Emanuel Newton fight and calling it an interim title fight.
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THURSDAY'S NEWS UPDATE
--We'll have a special Observer radio today covering the Jim Crockett Promotions DVD. Bruce Mitchell will be the guest. It will be taped around 9 p.m. Eastern time, so if you have any questions about that subject send to
Because of the timing of the Grantland article and HHH's comments, if you have any questions regarding that article, my story on it, or Mitchell's take on it, that's also an open topic for tonight's questions.
--Added to the 9/29 New Japan PPV from Kobe is Rob Conway defending the NWA title against Jushin Liger.
--An update on something mentioned on last night's Observer radio. Joe Warren vs. Nick Kirk was still listed on Saturday's Bellator show. Warren had an MRI done and was cleared to fight from what Kirk's camp was told according to a Fight Network report. We still haven't gotten any response from Bellator on the question.
--Kurt Angle was just released from rehab. No word on when he'll return to television.
--We got a report from someone who was able to purchase the WWE's Mid South Wrestling DVD a week ahead of time (it comes out on Tuesday) that it's fantastic. (thanks to Josh Marino)
--In Canada this week, for the show in Hamilton, on TV they were advertising Daniel Bryan vs. Fandango and Alberto Del Rio vs. Christian. The arena also sent an e-mail featuring Bryan. However, Bryan is booked on the other tour as well against Randy Orton. The WWE's web site no longer lists Bryan, but almost all the advertising, including ads this week, still listed him for the Hamilton show. Sheamus, Randy Orton, The Shield and Ryback were all in the original advertising but all were pulled and replace by Christian (who is up in the air with his concussion) and The Wyatt Family. (thanks to Chris Cooper)
--TNA is looking for a Social Media Manager. They want someone with on-air capability, three years experience on on-line community management and social engagement on behalf of a brand within the entertainment industry, and someone proficient in using social monitoring tools to analyze and report activities and trends. Send to
--AAA and Konnan along with Pro Wrestling Revolution are doing a seminar and tryout for AAA in San Jose on 9/14 at the Pro Wrestling Revolution Training Academy from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. Cost is $100 in advance, limited to 40 people. They are looking for wrestlers for both Mexico and prospective U.S. dates in 2014. For more info you can to go http://www.prowrestling-revolution.com/talent-soucts/aaa-tryouts/
--Birthdays today include Shane Sewell turning 41, Derrick Neikirk turning 39 and AR Fox turning 26.
--Hall of Fame announcer Dick Lane, also well known in Roller Games circles, died on this day in 1982 at the age of 82. Scott "Super Destroyer" Irwin died of cancer at 35 in 1987.
WHO SHOULD FACE JOSE ALDO NEXT FOR THE TITLE?
Chad Mendes 40.8%
Ricardo Lamas 23.1%
Cub Swanson 22.5%
Frankie Edgar 13.6%
WHAT DID YOU WATCH LAST NIGHT
Only All 7 hours of UFC 13.0%
Only last 5 hours of UFC 11.9%
Only Ultimate Fighter 4.6%
Only WWE Main Event 10.9%
Only New Japan iPPV 6.7%
Only Brazil main card 3.9%
For those who watched last night in total
Brazil prelims 18.7%
Brazil main card 37.5%
Ultimate Fighter 37.6%
WWE Main Event 22.9%
New Japan iPPV 6.7%
WHAT SHOW THIS WEEK DID YOU HAVE THE MOST INTEREST IN?
UFC last night 49.2%
New Japan iPPV 42.5%
Bellator Saturday 8.4%
FOR NEXT MONTH, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT UFC VS. WWE HEAD-TO-HEAD IN SAME MARKETS
UFC less than doubles WWE 36.2%
UFC does less than triple WWE 26.1%
UFC does less than quadruple WWE 17.4%
UFC does more than six times as much 9.4%
UFC does less than five times ass much 6.5%
UFC does less than six times as much 4.3%
Given that for WWE Night of Champions, 150,000 domestic would be as high as anyone should expect, a prediction of this UFC at under 300,000 would be almost insane since Jon Jones hasn't done less than 415,000 yet as champion.
DO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE DANIEL BRYAN'S BOOKING LONG-TERM WILL KEEP HIM AT THE LEVEL HE WAS AT SUMMERSLAM?
No, they will kill him and are in the process of doing so 57.5%
His popularity will grow from the SummerSlam level and the current booking will pay off 22.6%
He'll be at about the same level long-term 19.9%
--In the cable ratings for last week, ESPN started what should be the regular deal for the fall as No. 1 on cable averaging 2.51 million viewers in prime time to 2.40 for USA. The three hours of Raw were No. 7, 10 and 11 for the week. Two of the hours made top ten in 18-49, at No. 6 and No. 8.
ON THIS DAY IN PRO WRESTLING HISTORY (thanks to Graeme Cameron and Brian Hoops)
1952 - Tarzan White beat Art Nelson to win the Southern title in Atlanta. Nelson had a long career from that point on.
1958 - Fred Blassie beat Ray Gunkel in a battle of Georgia's two biggest all-time pre-1970 stars to win the Southern title in Atlanta
1967 - Enrique & Alberto Torres beat Stan & Butcher Vachon to win the Southern tag team titles in Macon
1968 - Bob Geigel & Bulldog Bob Brown beat Ron Etchison & Sonny Myers in Kansas City to win the North American tag team titles
1973 - Ron & Terry Garvin beat Tojo Yamamoto & Johnny Eagles Marlin in Nashville to win the Mid American tag team titles
1979 - Mike George beat Mr. Wrestling II in Shreveport to win the North American title
1991 - Arn Anderson & Larry Zbyszko beat Rick Steiner & Bill Kazmaier in the finals of a tournament to crown new WCW tag team champions in Augusta, GA
1993 - Yumiko Hotta & Takako Inoue beat Suzuka Minami & Akira Hokuto to win the WWWA tag titles
1997 - Donovan Morgan beat Michael Modest in Hayward to win the APW Universal title
--The UFC's Ronda Rousey TV special airs at 7 p.m. tonight on FS 2, followed by a replay of last night's Ultimate Fighter. Good opening episode. Last night's show from Brazil will be replayed at 10 p.m. tonight on FS 2 followed by another replay of Ultimate Fighter.
--For last night's picks, everyone on staff picked the same people in every fight and everyone, me, Josh Nason, Oliver Copp, Mike Sawyer, Mike Sempervive and Todd Martin, went 3-0.
--Bellator weigh-ins are tomorrow at 5 p.m. Eastern at the Cabaret Theater at the Mohegan Sun Casino. The show will air on Saturday with the prelims at Spike.com starting at 6 p.m. and the live main card from 8-11 p.m. on Spike.
--There is a pre-sale for the 10/10 Impact tapings in Tulsa using the code word IMPACTTULSA
--There will be a Wrestle Reunion on 9/21 at Hogan's Beach restaurant in Tampa featuring Demolition, Nasty Boys, Koko B. Ware, Bobby Heenan, Jimmy Hart and Mean Gene Okerlund from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Those involved noted to us to make sure to mention Hulk Hogan will not be appearing at this event.
--Chaotic Wrestling on 9/6 in Woburn, MA at the Elks Lodge with Brian Milonas vs. Sean Burke as the main event. They also run 9/27 in Lowell at the Polish American Veterans Club.
--Justin Gabriel and Layla will be doing an autograph signing on Sunday at the Connecticut Women's Expo at the Connecticut Convention Center at 11 a.m.
--TNA canceled its scheduled 9/13 show at Kemper Arena in Kansas City. The idea of running an 18,000 seat arena for a TNA house show never sounded very logical when you've got Memorial Hall and the Ameristar Casino in the market. (thanks to Justin Kendall)
--Shaul Guerrero, the daughter of Eddie & Vickie, who worked as Raquel Diaz, is headed back to WWE developmental. She was never officially released, just given a leave of absence to go to school this past year although at the time it was not expected she would return.
--Daniel Bryan along with Stan Lee, Norman Reedus and Henry Winkler are the top celebrity guests at the Wizard World Nashville Comic Con 10/18 to 10/20.
--A trivia question for today. Who is the only person who is in the NFL Hall of Fame, was a conference champion college wrestler and was a major pro wrestling superstar? You would think there would be a few, but only one.
--The movie "Riddick," which features Dave Bautista, and opens this weekend in the U.S., will open on 9/12 in Australia (thanks to James Stanios)
--Dory Funk's BANG on 9/20 at the BANG TV Sound Stage in Ocala, FL features Amazing Kong vs. Hollywood Heather vs. Claudia Reiff vs. Jessica Hill. It's a charity show for Interfaith Services to raise money and asking for people to bring food donations to help replenish the food pantry for the hundreds of people fed each day by Interfaith.
--Wild Bill's Fight Night on Saturday night at Wild Bill's in Duluth, GA has a show that will start immediately after the South Carolina vs. Georgia game. Everyone will watch the football game first and then a night of 14 fights, 10 MMA fights and four kickboxing fights, headlined by Ronnie Rogers vs. Clay Harvison.
--New England Championship Wrestling has its 20th anniversary show on Saturday night in Beverly, MA at the Cove Community Center. The company's TV airs tonight on Ch. 62 in Boston WMFP-TV at 12:30 a.m.
--A show on 9/22 at 6 p.m. in Westminster, CO at The Fiesta Palace Event Center with free beer for those over 21 features a death match tournament that includes Davey Boy Smith Jr.
--Traditional Championship Wrestling tomorrow night in Nashville at the Fairgrounds Sports Arena has a TV taping. Tommy Dreamer vs. Doug Gilbert in a street fight headlines the show, plus Tracy Smothers, Rob Conway, Rock & Roll Express, Dan Severn, Lance Hoyt and Bobby Eaton all are appareling.
--Dolph Ziggler will be appearing Saturday at the Windsor Star's News Cafe at http://t.co/mbn5U42Ajr
(thanks to Adam Lebow)
--Jay Bradley of TNA is looking for indie bookings at www.sbibookings.com
. He's based now in Louisville.