MON. UPDATE: Hall of Famer on Raw, Awesome show today, Match of Year on PPV on fee TV Thursday, Sakuraba vs Gracie in pro wrestling, Bray Wyatt notes, Bruno on TV today, Bellator finishes PPV lineup, Reaction to Glory
Monday, 14 October 2013 14:14
By Dave Meltzer |
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We're also looking for reports from Raw tonight in St. Louis with dark matches, Superstars matches, attendance and anything else not evident from the live show, as reports from yesterday's WWE show in Philadelphia.
Smackdown and Main Event are taped Tuesday night in Kansas City.
We've also got a double issue of the Observer on the site today on the Observer icon on the right side of the front page, with the lead story talking about the return of John Cena and the questions it asks. We'll look at the current plans for Hell in a Cell, the injury to A.J. Lee, all the major questions that came up after Battleground, the fan reaction level, why so much went wrong and what questions it brings up about the current creative process.
We also look at gambling on WWE matches, an update on Rob Van Dam and Ricardo Rodriguez, along with full coverage of Battleground with match-by-match notes, star ratings and poll coverage from the show.
We also look at what happened with Dr. Wagner Jr., as well as what he said in public about AAA and what AAA said back.
We've got a note on the announced retirement of a Hall of Famer.
We've also got WWE and UFC touting their success and what does each company point to. We also note what former WWF star is gaining power behind the scenes, WWE being honored by the SLI, More on John Cena being sued, several new WWE signings, Darren Young talks his situation an why he did what he did, DVD ideas WWE is considering, Dusty Rhodes talks Hall of Fame, A look back at the end of Crockett Promotions, Details on new major WWE hire, two new WWE DVDs NXT, plus notes from all the house shows this past week.
We also have the follow up on last week's story on the wrestlers who have had the most four star matches. This week we look at the numbers when you figure in Japanese big show matches. Who were the top in-ring performers over the past 26 years and where do the stars of the current generation stand.
We also have a major feature this week on the life and times of Oregon wrestling legend Dutch Savage. We look at the career and life of the face of wrestling in that part of the country for much of the 70s, what he represented, his life before and after wrestling, how he came to Oregon, how he became a partner in the promotion and why he suddenly disappeared. It's a major feature on the world of pro wrestling in the Pacific Northwest and its unique characters, from Lonnie Mayne to Tony Borne to Buddy Rose to Bull Ramos to Roddy Piper to Jesse Ventura.
We look at one of the longest running television shows in U.S. history, why it ended, the make up of the crowds. We look at his most famous angles, the babyface turn, the coal miner's glove match, the documentary PBS made on him, practical jokes, his runs outside the Northwest including main event title challenges in San Francisco and Los Angeles, how he got into wrestling, Big Luke Brown of The Kentuckians.
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--Son of major pro wrestling star being pushed as potential Olympian
--Matt Hardy wedding
--Mil Mascaras movie
--World Triangle League tournament notes
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--Who nearly got the name Stone Cold
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--Behind the Ben Rothwell suspension and how it's strange
--Chael Sonnen talks angle with Wanderlei Silva
--Update on UFC lawsuit against the state of New York
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--New Spike MMA programming
--Bellator's last show and next show
--Bellator fighter out of retirement
--Lots of notes regarding weight cutting
--WWE head-to-head with major MMA events
--Notes on the Glory debut on Spike
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MONDAY'S NEWS UPDATE
--Bryan and I just did a show with Frank Shamrock that is on the site today, as well as a show last night talking all the latest news. We'll also be back tonight talking Raw, New Japan Kings of Pro Wrestling, and taking your e-mail questions that can be sent to
--Shawn Michaels will be on Raw tonight and was already backstage in St. Louis a few hours ago.
--Low Ki announced his retirement on twitter today. He had told promoters he was retired a few months ago before signing with All Japan, and things didn't end up well there. He said he was hurt, and he was, that's legit, but we also heard they weren't bringing him back.
--It's like a broken record, but I highly recommend today's New Japan show. The first half was really only so-so except the Tomohiro Ishii vs. Katsuyori Shibata match, but the second half was excellent and the main event with Kazuchika Okada vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi was an absolute classic. I feel like a broken record saying this is the best in-ring program of this generation, equivalent to Flair/Steamboat, O'Connor/Thesz, Funk/Brisco or Misawa/Kobashi. But every match is another classic
--Fox Sports 1 is going to air the Jon Jones vs. Alexander Gustafsson fight on Thursday, the fastest replay of a PPV main event I can ever call. It's scheduled at 8 p.m. Eastern and 5 p.m. Pacific. Last week it was listed as Jones vs. Belfort, but the listing changed. (thanks to Jon Southerland)
--WWE is looking at hiring a Supervising Producer for its new network, so they are still hiring new people which indicates they expect to do it somewhat soon.
--In a really weird thing on last night's show, they set up for the Tokyo Dome, Yuji Nagata & Kazushi Sakuraba in a tag match against Daniel & Rolles Gracie. Awkward. Sakuraba vs Gracie Family was gigantic in 1999-2001, but still. I think the idea is you need something out of the box at the Tokyo Dome and New Japan's early successful Dome shows often had non-pro wrestlers on them.
--Coming off the show, it looks like Okada vs. Karl Anderson for the IWGP title and Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Minoru Suzuki for the IC title on 11/9 in Osaka.
--Bray Wyatt's injury was a deeply bruised calf. He was backstage on crutches in Philadelphia yesterday but did sit in his rocking chair. He's only expected out four weeks, and could be even less than that.
--Bruno Sammartino was on TV in New York on the Columbus Day Parade, When Joseph Mattone, Chairman of The Mattone Group, was interviewed on Ch. 7 in New York, Sammartino was shown and hugged Mattone. They had an arm wrestling match where Mattone used two arms to win and donated $100,000 to charity. (thanks to Jeff Sheridan)
--Bellator finished up its PPV main card lineup with the final match being Cheick Kongo vs. Vinicius Spartan in the finals of the current heavyweight tournament.
--The Extreme Rising promotion is back in business with the idea of returning on 12/28 at the old ECW Arena in Philadelphia, which is going to be reopened for pro wrestling events in a few months. They are also going to be getting television in Philadelphia starting in January. Steve O'Neill will now be in charge of all aspects of the promotion..
--The Tampa Tribune has a story about the old days of weekly wrestling at the Fort Homer Hesterly Armory at http://tbo.com/sports/
It notes the 10/29 Smackdown tapings in Tampa and talks to old fans, Dusty Rhodes, Eric Solie (Gordon's son), Haku, Roman Reigns, and radio host Ted Webb who said that Dusty Rhodes was a bigger star than Hulk Hogan.
--Yushin Okami has signed with the World Series of Fighting after being cut by UFC. He's expected to debut in early 2014.
ON THIS DAY IN PRO WRESTLING HISTORY (thanks to Brian Hoops and Graeme Cameron)
1966 - Lou Thesz beat Buddy Austin in Los Angeles to win the WWA title
1978 - The Assassin beat Jose Lothario in Shreveport to win the Louisiana State title
1985 - Butch Reed beat Dick Murdoch in New Orleans to win the North American title
1989 - Tito Santana beat Rick Martel in Providence to win the King of the Ring tournament
1989 - Bruce Hart beat Gama Singh in Lethbridge, to win the British Commonwealth mid-heavyweight title
2002 - Chris Jericho & Christian beat Hurricane & Kane to win the World tag team title in Montreal
2007 - Gail Kim because the first TNA Knockouts champion at Bound for Glory in Atlanta. In the main event Sting beat Kurt Angle to win the TNA title
2012 - At Bound for Glory, Rob Van Dam beat Zema Ion to win the X title, Chavo Guerrero Jr. & Hernandez beat Kurt Angle & A.J. Styles and Frankie Kazarian & Christopher Daniels to win the tag titles, Tara beat Brooke Tessmacher to win the Knockouts title and Jeff Hardy beat Austin Aries to win the TNA title.
WHAT DID YOU THINK OF SATURDAY'S GLORY SHOW?
60.6% of those responding didn't see the show
POLL ON SATURDAY'S ROH TV SHOW
57.9% of those responding didn't see the show
WHICH OF THESE SHOWS IS THE BIGGEST?
WWE Hell in a Cell 46.5%
UFC 166 29.4%
New Japan Kings of Pro Wrestling 12.8%
TNA Bound for Glory 10.7%
WILL BOUND FOR GLORY COMING DAY AFTER UFC AFFECT YOUR BUYING EITHER SHOW?
No buying either 47.7%
No, was only going to buy UFC 26.9%
No, was only going to buy TNA 16.6%
Yes, would like to get both, only getting UFC 3.0%
Getting both, so not affecting me 3.0%
Yes, would like to get both, only getting TNA 2.5%
BEST TV SHOW OF THE PAST WEEK?
Frank Shamrock Bound by Blood 15.8%
Ultimate Fighter 14.3%
UFC from Brazil 4.1%
Main Event 1.5%
Legacy Fighting Championships 1.0%
UFC Prime Time Cain vs. Dos Santos 1.0%
--Stephanie McMahon Levesque will be speaking at Boston University on 10/24 to lecture on the Business of Branding at 4 p.m.
--Mick Foley on his Facebook page at www.facebook.com/RealMickFoley
has a story listing ten guys who have done notable things after retiring from the ring. In order of importance he had:
1. Chris Nowinski - I agree with this but it's amazing how negative everyone in wrestling talked about him a few years ago
2. The Rock
3. Chris Jericho
5. John Layfield
6. Steve Austin & Hulk Hogan
7. Trish Stratus
8. Roddy Piper
9. Marc Mero - Mero isn't exactly liked in wrestling by a lot of people so that was a gutsy pick
10. Bret Hart, Edge and Shawn Michaels (because he wanted all of them on his list)
--UFC is going to have talent touring from 10/28 to 11/16 all over the country to promote the 20th anniversary show.
--Foley also announced WWE will be filming his talk show on 11/17 in Smithtown, NY for either a DVD release or some sort of a TV release. He's performing at the Smithtoon Performing Arts Center, only a few miles from where he grew up and a theater he's attended events at since childhood. He's inviting wrestling fans because he wants as many as possible since he'll be telling all wrestling stories. I've been to his show and it's a fun night, and a hilarious night.
--The Miami Herald at http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/13/
has a story on Daniel Bryan, since he's headlining the Hell in a Cell PPV in the city on the 27th. He noted that it was in Miami, the day after Mania, when the "Yes" thing really took off so it's the city that really gave him the impetus to be a headliner. He also noted that he was fired over an incident doing the Nexus angle in Miami, so he's got a lot of history in the city.
--There were WWE and TNA office people at the Wrestling Cares show on Saturday night in Gardena, CA.
--IFL 58 at the Fillmore Theater in Detroit for a 15 fight MMA show called Brawl in the Fall.
--Funkdafied Wrestling Federation on 11/9 in Edison, NJ at St. Matthew's Parish Gym featuring Hurricane Helms.
--Right Coast Pro Wrestling on 11/9 in Newark, DE at the RCP Arena at Life Community Center featuring Mikey Whipwreck.
--CMLL last night in Guadalajara: William Rock b Furia Nazi, Metalik & Brillante Jr. b Yaqui & Pirana, Halcon de Plata & Divino b Angel del Mal & Demonio Rojo, Smaker & Leo & Black Metal b Magnum & Espectrum & Demonio Maya, Fuego & Rey Cometa & Gallo b Malefico & Exterminador & Barbaro Cavernario, Tama Tonga & Rey Bucanero b Rush & Maximo (thanks to Steve "Dr. Lucha" Sims and Kris Zellner)
--Chuck Liddell appears on the TV show "Bones" tonight.
--Paul London has a seminar on Wednesday at 7 p.m. at the PWX Wrestleplex in McKeesport, PA for $35 and Friday at the Mega Pro Wrestling School in Lorain, OH for $35 in advance, $40 day of the show. London will talk the difference between singles and tag team psychology, match structure, marketing, how to get yourself noticed and more. For more info write to
--Jimmy Korderas also has a ref seminar for $20 on Saturday at 2 p.m. at the Iron City Wrestling Academy in South Park Township, PA. You can also write
for more info.
--The injury Gene Snitsky suffered on Friday night while working in Manitoba was a cut mouth from a dropkick. We're waiting for more info on that. He missed the Saturday night show.
--Future Stars of Wrestling from last night in Las Vegas: Brandon Gatson b Virgil Flynn and Lorenzo Henderson, Big Duke b Jason Cash, Cutler Wright b Clutch, Al Katrazz & Funny Bone over Beauty & The Beast and Suburban Commandos, Greg Romero b Rush, Remy Marcel & Jack Manley b Bryce Harrison & Jakob Austin Young, Kenny King b Disco Inferno to keep FSW Elite title, Leon Hater b Legacy, Sweet N Soul b RockNess Monsters, Tyshaun Prince b Luster the Legend in a last man standing match to keep FSW title Their show, FSW High Octane, is available on You Tube.
--UPW Pro Wrestling from Saturday night in Escanba, MI: Tyler Jackson b Peter Schwanz, Jordy Lee b Dysfunction, Brian Skyline b Brad Sharp, Silas Young b Nathan Gust, Tyler Jackson b Jordy Lee, Silas Young b rent Skyline, Tyler Jackson b Silas Young to win the tournament, Ink Jet Express b Brock Hall & Devin Nash-DQ, Judge Jesse b Kaz Karter, Tyler Jackson won Battle Royal, Seth Gambino b Brett Powers (thanks to Leonard Brand)
--On today's episode of Sesame Street, "Me Amigita Rosita," the main angle was the puppet Rosita try to write a story of what it's like to be Mexican. The people and the muppets talked about how much they all liked Lucha Libre and some of the muppets put masks on their stuffed animals (thanks to Steve Te Tai)
--Results from The Crash promotion in Tijuana on Friday night: Black Boy & Mosco Negro vs. Bufalo Ayala & Venum Black Jr. vs. Sargon & Star Dragon was a draw, Animal & Cinico & Mr. Maldito b Jonathan & Juventud 2000 & Spyder Black, Viento & Zarco b Dinastia & Flamita, Angel Metaltico & Fenix & Willie Mack b Pentagon Jr. & Star Boy & X-Torm, Devil Rocker & Machine Rocker & Soul Rocker b The Psycho Circus
--Real Wrestling Promotions on Sunday in El Paso at the Wild Wild West Ballroom