WED. UPDATE: ROH champ concussion note, WWE and Big Show advertising, Bruno vs.Destroyer, Cena, Best recent big show, Weekend plans, What you want to see headline Survivor Series, New UFC fights
Wednesday, 30 October 2013 15:23
By Dave Meltzer |
Main Event tonight on Ion:
Kofi Kingston vs. Ryback
Santino Marella vs. Heath Slater
Great Khali vs. Fandango
Los Matadores vs. Los Locales
FS 1 has a lot of UFC tonight. UFC Tonight has a new episode at 7:30 p.m. Eastern time. The GSP vs. Johny Hendricks first prime time episode is tonight at 8:30 p.m. Ultimate Fighter's newest episode with the last two first round rights and announcement of the semifinals airs at 10 p.m.
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The latest issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter has analysis pieces of where the UFC & TNA both stand coming out of the weekend and going forward.
Our lead story looks at while profits are high and business is overall good for UFC, there are some causes for concern in recent weeks. We look at the move to FS 1, ratings, PPV vs. boxing and what has 2013 in UFC shown about what does and doesn't work on PPV.
We also look back at UFC 166, how the top stars come out of the show, view polls on the close fights, the show as a whole and full match-by-match coverage.
We also look at TNA coming out of Bound for Glory, its biggest show of the year. Unlike with UFC, profits are not high and business is not good. We look at the changes on the horizon for 2014, how the new goals have to be different from the old goals, Hulk Hogan & Sting, TV tapings in Orlando, the PPV business, the house show business, injury updates and full coverage of Bound for Glory. We have poll results and star ratings on the show as well.
We also talk WWE network, WWE stock prices, WWE Hall of Fame, a WrestleMania match where the first angle was shot three years ago now on the books, update on Rey Mysterio, why he wrestled and why he wasn't on Raw. We look at the next PPV, the Big Show angle, updates on all WWE angles, former WWE wrestler accuses others of keeping her out, Jim Ross talks Undertaker's streak, time limits and no DQ tag matches.
We also update the 2014 PPV schedule and changes for the new year, sports executives on how UFC, WWE and boxing are doing, Nowinski talks why WWE was awarded, changes in this past week's Raw show, the HHH interview and what may have been clever and what was counterproductive, what WWE is looking for with prospective new talent, Daniel Bryan talks Hall of Fame, training with Shawn Michaels, wrestling Shawn Michaels, the best wrestler he ever wrestled against and the name will surprise you, favorite opponents and who he credits for getting him over. He also talks what he thinks about Total Divas.
Chael Sonnen talks a recently signed WWE wrestler who he trained with, as well as business notes and highlights from the Mexico and U.S. tours from this past week.
We also look at AAA's big event of the past week, the Heroes Inmortales show, the surprises, the jump and the enemies that became partners.
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--Still active wrestling star turns 70
--Notes on the career of Dennis Hall
--Pointed comments made regarding the death of Calvin Knapp
--A look at a new attempt for indie groups to work together and goals
--Update on Low Ki
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--A look at the next major ROH show, a unique angle and Jesse Sorensen
--Kurt Angle talks rehab and follow-up
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--New arena being talked about being built that would be the home of the biggest UFC shows going forward
--Notes on the next season of Ultimate Fighter
--Update on Ben Askren
--UFC signs some major foreign names including one of the world's most exciting fighters of the last decade
--Pro wrestling talk in TUF house
--Promotion of Bellator PPV
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WEDNESDAY'S NEWS UPDATE
--Bryan and I will be back for Wrestling Observer radio tonight covering Smackdown, Ultimate Fighter, TNA news, New Japan news, Rampage Jackson, Hall of Fame and taking your e-mail questions to
--ROH champion Adam Cole suffered a mild concussion on Saturday night in the eight-man match in Chicago. Cole is not working this weekend as a precautionary measure. He will still be in attendance at the ROH show on Saturday night in Cincinnati.
--During Raw on Monday night, they were advertising house shows on 12/26 in Madison Square Garden and 12/28 in Newark, NJ at the Prudential Center. For both shows the names advertised were John Cena, Alberto Del Rio and Big Show, even though they are doing a Big Show firing angle. The commercial noted that Big Show is fulfilling his contractual obligations. So we are supposed to believe that a guy is still working after being fired three weeks earlier.
--Mick Foley performs tonight at the Orlando Impov at 8 p.m.
ON THIS DAY IN PRO WRESTLING HISTORY (thanks to Graeme Cameron and Brian Hoops)
1967 - Ripper Collins beat Mark Lewin in Newcastle, New South Wales to win the IWA title
1969 - Antonio Inoki & Michiaki Yoshimura beat Buddy Austin & Mr. Atomic Clyde Steeves in Gifu to win the All Asia tag titles
1971 - Jumbo Miyamoto & Myoko Hoshino beat Maria Vagnone & Jane Sherrill in Okayama to win the WWWA women's tag titles
1973 - Tim Woods & Mr. Wrestling II beat The Super Infernos for the Macon tag team title
1978 - Ric Flair & John Studd beat Paul Jones & Ricky Steamboat in Greenville, SC to win the Mid Atlantic tag team titles
1985 - Chic Cullen beat Rollerball Mark Rocco in Leicester to win the world mid-heavyweight title
1986 - Super Strong Machine & Ashura Hara beat Takashi Ishikawa & Mighty Inoue in Komori to win the All Asia tag titles
1987 - Dennis Condrey & Randy Rose beat Bill Dundee & Jerry Lawler in Whitewater, WI to win the AWA tag titles
1994 - Hiroshi Hase & Keiji Muto beat Masahiro Chono & Super Strong Machine in Tokyo to win the annual MSG Super Grade tag team tournament
1999 - Vader beat Mitsuharu Misawa in Tokyo to win the Triple Crown
2001 - At Smackdown in Columbus, OH, Christian beat Bradshaw to win the European title and Test & Booker T beat Chris Jericho & The Rock to win the WWF world tag team title.
--In a trivia note that sort of involves UFC and 60s pro wrestling, on October 29, 1966, Spyros Arion beat The Masked Destroyer in Melbourne, Australia to win the IWA title. There is a back story on this. The Destroyer was not Dick Beyer, who was most famous for the gimmick. Bruno Sammartino was in Australia at this point in time and promoter Jim Barnett wanted to book Sammartino vs. Destroyer as a dream match, and also put his world title on Destroyer. However, his booker, Mark Lewin, had heat with Beyer supposedly over refusing to do a job for him in Los Angeles, and buried him and after advertising Destroyer, they brought in John Hill, better known as Stomper Guy Mitchell and Jerry Valiant, and put him under the mask as Destroyer. The UFC connection is John Hill is the uncle of Josh Hill of this season's Ultimate Fighter.
--Kevin Steen makes his AAW debut at Windy City Classic IX on 11/30 in Berwyn, IL at the Eagles Club. There will also be the semifinals and finals of a tag team tournament plus ACH vs. Matt Cage.
--WWE returns to Tampa on 2/1. No presale password is needed to order tickets.
--John Cena was on Brian Kenny's radio show this morning. (thanks to David Kaplan)
--Adam "Edge" Copeland turned 40 today. Happy Birthday to him, a superior performer and one of the real professional success stories of the industry.
--Hall of Famer Edouard Carpentier, the famed Flying Frenchman, passed away at the age of 84 on this day three years ago.
--A promotional tie-in between the World Series of Fighting and Pancrase was announce in a WSOF press release today. The news was already released a few days ago in Japan and talked about on their TV show over the weekend. Yushin Okami will headline the WSOF show in Japan, which will be held in a cage and not a ring.
WHAT WAS THE BEST OF THESE SHOWS?
UFC 166 35.8%
New Japan Kings of Pro Wrestling 23.7%
TNA Bound for Glory 13.6%
WWE Hell in a Cell 12.1%
UFC 165 7.4%
New Japan Road to Power Struggle 3.5%
WWE Battleground 3.5%
WHICH OF THESE SHOWS ARE YOU PLANNING ON WATCHING THIS WEEKEND?
Bellator on Spike 32.6%
Dragon Gate iPPV 8.6%
62.0% said they were watching neither.
WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO WIN THIS FIGHT?
Michael Chandler 53.2%
Eddie Alvarez 46.8%
WHICH OF THESE MATCHES WOULD YOU MOST LIKE TO SEE AS THE SURVIVOR SERIES MAIN EVENT?
HHH vs. Big Show 69.7%
Big Show vs. Randy Orton 30.3%
WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO WIN THIS FIGHT?
Ronda Rousey 75.6%
Miesha Tate 24.4%
WHO WAS THE STAR OF RAW?
Damien Sandow 28.6%
John Cena 24.5%
Big Show 16.8%
Shawn Michaels 16.8%
C.M. Punk 7.5%
Stephanie McMahon 2.5%
Randy Orton 0.3%
POLL ON RAW
13.8% of those responding didn't see the show
--UFC will be doing a ton of auctions during the Fight for the Troops show a week from today in Fort Campbell, KY. Items are up now at ufcfightforthetroops.com There are items including going out to dinner with Octagon girls, Dana White, UFC fighters, and tons more as a way to raise money for the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund.
--Chaotic Wrestling on Friday night in Lowell, MA at the Polish American Veterans Club as well as 11/23 in Littleton, NH at the Opera House.
--Resurrection Fighting Alliance on AXS on 11/22 from the First Bank Center in Broomfield, CO
Matt Manzanares vs. Zach Makovsky for the flyweight title
Alvin Robinson vs. Raoni Barcelos
Tommy Thompson vs. Tyler Toner
Brian Wood vs. Chinzo Machida (Lyoto's brother)
Vinnie Lopez vs. Lucas Rota
Danny Mainus vs. Scott Ingram
--It's been mentioned before but the 11/16 UFC 20th anniversary show will air in more than 350 theaters nationwide.
--With Vinicius Spartan out with an ACL tear, Bellator announced that the heavyweight tournament finals for this season will be held on 11/8 in Thackerville, OK at the Winstar World Casino with Cheick Kongo, who was to face Spartan, now facing Peter Graham. Graham is getting in the finals based on his win over Eric Prindle The TV show on Spike will have:
Edson Berto (17-10) vs. Patricky Pitbull (11-4)
Brennan Ward (8-1) vs. Mikkel Parlo (11-1) in the final of this season's middleweight tournament
Travis Marx (21-4) vs. Joe Warren (9-3) in the finals of this season's bantamweight tournament
Cheick Kongo (19-8) vs. Peter Graham in the finals of this season's heavyweight tournament
--Benson Henderson appears on the TV show "My Ink" about tattoos.
--Rick Glenn vs. Georgi Karakhanyan for the first World Series of Fighting featherweight title has been added to the next show on 12/7 in Vancouver, BC.
--The Johnny Eduardo vs. Lucas Martins fight scheduled for 11/9 in Goiania, Brazil is off due to both fighters being injured in training.
--Zak Cummings is off the 11/30 UFC show in Las Vegas due to an injury. Sean Spencer will replace him in a fight with Sergio Moraes of Brazil.
--The New York Red Bulls fans have adopted the "Yes" chant when the team scores. At the last game people came out with "Yes" towels. The New York Islanders are doing it after goals as well. (thanks to Mike Caroll)
--CMLL from Monday night in Puebla: Guerrero Espacial & Zayco b Black Tiger & Paris, Camorra & Espiritu Maligno & Guerrero Negro Jr. b Bengala & Millenium & Oro Jr., Amapola & Dallys la Caribena & Tiffany b Estrellita & Luna Magica & Marcela, Namajague & Sangre Azteca & Virus b Pegasso & Stigma & Stuka Jr., El Terrible & Tama Tonga & Vangellys b Maximo & Rush & Titan, Atlantis & La Sombra b Ultimo Guerrero & Volador Jr.-DQ. This sets up Volador Jr. vs. Sombra in a singles match this coming Monday.
--CMLL from last night in Guadalajara: Metatron & Virgo b Rafaga & Magnum, Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno & Disturbio b Magnus & Super Camaleon & Sky Kid, Triton & Smaker & Gallo b Felino & Tiger & Puma, Stuka Jr. & Rey Cometa & Angel de Oro b Okumura & Namajague & Misterioso Jr., Titan & Rush & Blue Panther b Tama Tonga & Vangellys & El Terrible-DQ (thanks to Kris Zellner & Steve "Dr. Lucha" Sims)
--NWA FUW iPPV on Friday night at 9 p.m. Eastern from Tampa at the Tampa Pitcher Show with Sam Elias vs. Michael Tarver, Bruce Santee vs. Tyson Tomko, James Alexander & JD Maverick vs. Dos Ben Dejos and Matt Morgan vs. Leo Gold as the top matches. Also appearing are Mercedes Martinez, Lince Dorado, AR Fox, Rich Swann and Jesse Sorensen.
--CZW on iPPV on Saturday night in Voorhees, NJ at Flyers Skate Zone with Drew Gulak vs. Chuck Taylor for the CZW title, BLK Out vs. Azrieal & Bandido Jr. for the tag tiles and Alex Colon vs. John Silver for the TV title Show is at CZWiPPV.com If you are attending the live show they ask that you bring one nonperishable item to be donated to Campout for Hunger.
--ICW on 11/8 in Elmhurst, NY and 11/22 in Newton, MA is canceled. Promoter Jac wrote, "So is everything else, ICW, again. It's over. It's done. No More. Finished. Jac is retired from wrestling. ICW is canceled."
--Pro Wrestling on 11/9 in Edison, NJ at St. Matthew's Parish Gym headlined by Hurricane Helms.
--UIPW on 11/10 in East Los Angeles at the Boys & Girls Club has Misterioso & La Sombra vs. Shamu Jr. & Volador Jr.
--Johnny Rodz is promoting World of Unpredictable Wrestling at La Boom in Queens, NY on 11/16 headlined by Atlantis vs. Ultimo Guerrero and Marcela vs. Amapola.