THURS. UPDATE: Undefeated and unwanted, Mania seating, Lawler on Kaufman's death, Sonnen on WWE offers, First UFC Vegas 2014 main event off, WWE European schedule, UFC buys for Saturday
Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:02
By Dave Meltzer |
We're looking for reports on today's WWE shows in Leeds, England and Rousen, France, yesterday's show in Zurich, Switzerland, as well as tomorrow's shows in London, England and Marseilles, France at
Impact tonight at 9 p.m.
Ken Anderson vs. Knux
Ethan Carter III vs. Dewey Barnes & Norv Ferman in a handicap match
Joseph Park vs. Christopher Daniels
Gail Kim vs. ?
Kurt Angle vs. Austin Aries in a submission match in the TNA title tournament
Coverage of UFC's decline in audience heading into its biggest shows in year is the lead story in this week's issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter. We've also got a new back issue from 1996 up which talks about a WWE jump to WCW more than one year before it happened and how close it came to happening at the time for an NWO surprise member. We also look at negotiations for what would have been some of the biggest matches in Japan that also never happened and how close they came.
This week's issues looks at the challenges MMA faces and its historical weaknesses in maintaining popularity. We look at the reason nobody's talking about for UFC's PPV increases this year, and the questions it faces with a declining television audience. We look at just how much of the audience has dropped and the reasons as to why. We also look at how pro wrestling differs from other sports when it comes to audience loyalty. We look back at the history of Vale Tudo in Brazil, the dark ages of UFC in the U.S., and look at the 20th anniversary show as well as the two shows last week.
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We also look at Miz's turn, who is being focused on in WWE advertising, coverage from developmental including hot prospects and injuries, notes on the upcoming season of Total Divas, a new WWE signing, and tons of news from the WWE European tour.
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--A.J. Styles in Mexico
--A look at Masato Yoshino's second Open the Dream Gate title defense
--A look at Dragon Gate's upcoming U.S. shows
--All Japan adding a title
--NOAH planning its last big show of the year for Akira Taue's retirement
--A look at the top scheduled matches on the show
--Final standings and a look at the Global League singles tournament
--Details on this year's New Japan tag team tournament
--Who are in what blocks and what are the key lineups
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--A look at the CMLL/New Japan FantasticMania lineups for January
--Why Fedor Emelianenko is attending a big pro wrestling show next month
--The return of a character from the 80s
--Former WWE star puts up his hair on major international show this week
--Lots of TNA PPV news
--A look at some upcoming PPV matches
--A look at Tommy Dreamer's House of Hardcore show
--A look at TNA tapings
--What wrestlers have been contacted by TNA
--A look at recent TNA house shows
--A look at next week's Impact
--UFC injuries and card changes
--Advance for the last major UFC event of the year
--Update on the TUF finales
--Notes on international dates
--Notes on UFC in Brazil
--More on Rousey vs. Tate and a last minute win by Tate
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THURSDAY'S NEWS UPDATE
--Dana White at a press conference earlier today said that he's got no interest in signing Ben Askren, the Bellator welterweight champion, who was released by Bellator since he made it clear he didn't want to stay with the promotion. White said that Askren barely beat Jay Hieron, who couldn't hang in UFC, which is true, but that was also several fights ago, and Askren is 12-0. This is the first time you can outright say UFC isn't signing someone based only on having a boring style. They fired Jon Fitch and Yushin Okami, but both were coming off losses and were no longer in title contention in their divisions. Antonio McKee never beat anyone of note and was already old, more boring than Askren, and still eventually had a shot in UFC. Askren isn't boring to people who are into wrestling, but that's not the majority of the public. However, he does have a strong personality, more than 95% of the UFC roster, and could be the best wrestler in the entire company. When you're arguing if UFC is primarily sport or entertainment, and the answer is both, this sways things in the direction strongly of entertainment. That's not a dirty word, either, although some may feel it is. The reality is most of its fans watch it for entertainment and don't obsess over the sports aspect, but it does want to portray itself as sport. I'm not sure what sport doesn't hire a winning player with a big rep in the sport because they are considered boring in style by those who don't really care about wins and losses.
--Although the released seating chart that was out last week says differently, there will be a stage and lots of seats blocked off at WrestleMania. There is a presale going on right now for the show.
--Jerry Lawler said, in response to the story where Andy Kaufman's daughter thinks he's still alive, that if he is, he'd like to wrestle him at WrestleMania. Actually, the daughter was a hoax. Kaufman's brother introduced a woman as Kaufman's daughter, born in 1989, a few years after his believed death, who claimed he was still alive and just wanted a secret life. But the woman was found to be an actress.
--Chael Sonnen did an interview today saying he had received offers from pro wrestling but he made a decision a long time ago to be loyal to Dana White.
--After it being announced last night that Jon Jones vs. Glover Teixeira would headline the UFC show on 2/22 in Las Vegas, Dana White at the press conference today said that it wasn't happening. The fight would still happen, but it wouldn't be on that date.
--Lorenzo Fertitta has a story at http://sports.yahoo.com
in the MMA section on what it means for UFC to be turning 20.
ON THIS DAY IN PRO WRESTLING HISTORY (thanks to Graeme Cameron and Brian Hoops)
1963 - Killer Kowalski & Gorilla Monsoon beat Skull Murphy & Brute Bernard to win the U.S. tag team titles (which later became the WWWF tag titles sort of)
1973 - Tony Garea & Dean Ho beat Toru Tanaka & Mr. Fuji to win the WWWF tag team titles in Hamburg, PA
1990 - Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda beat Mike Takahashi & Kaoru Maeda to win the Japanese women's tag team titles in Yokohama.
1999 - Big Show, who subbed for an injured Steve Austin, beat HHH and The Rock in a three-way main event at Survivor Series to win the WWF title in Detroit.
--Some dates for the next WWE European tour
5/14 Glasgow, Scotland
5/15 Newcastle, England
5/16 Leeds, England
5/17 Nottingham, England
5/18 Cardiff, Wales
5/19 London O2 Arena (Raw taping)
5/20 London O2 Arena (Smackdown taping)
5/20 Sheffield, England
5/21 Belfast, Northern Ireland
5/22 Dublin, Ireland
Tickets for all these shows go on sale Monday at 9 a.m. (thanks to Stephen Lyon)
--Brendan Schaub announced today that he's signed a new six-fight contract with UFC, coming off his recent win over Matt Mitrione.
HOW MANY BUYS DOES UFC 167 DO?
Under 450,000 13.6%
More than 951,000 8.5%
WHAT DID YOU THINK OF GSP VS. HENDRICKS PRIME TIME PART 3
65.3% of those responding didn't see the show (missed a good one, especially the last 4 minutes)
WHO WAS THE BEST OF THESE HALL OF FAMERS?
Terry Funk 59.4%
Verne Gagne 11.5%
Gorgeous George 10.6%
Frank Gotch 9.0%
Karl Gotch 4.8%
Dry Funk Sr. 3.5%
Cavernario Galindo 1.2%
WHO WAS THE BEST OF THESE HALL OF FAMERS?
Bret Hart 62.2%
Stan Hansen 16.3%
George Hackenschmidt 8.5%
Billy Graham 8.1%
Eddie Graham 2.7%
Stu Hart 1.6%
Gori Guerrero 0.4%
--Tonight on Fox Sports 2 at 8 p.m. is Ultimate Fighter, Best of Pride at 9 p.m. and UFC Prime Time episodes two and three (three is great) from 10-11 p.m., followed by the UFC 20th anniversary special at 11 p.m. (also great) and UFC Tonight at 1 a.m.
--Jessie Godderz from TNA will be co-hosting the College Arm Wrestling League Championships. The filming takes place Sunday and Monday in Asbury Park, NJ at the Stone Pony. It will be taped for airing as a series of TV shows in 2014 on both ESPN U and ESPN 2.
--Paul London has been announced for the 1/25 ROH show in Pittsburgh, which is the night before the Royal Rumble in the same city.
--Johnny Gargano has now hit the two year mark as the Dragon Gate USA Open the Freedom gate champion.
--The Fight Network announced a doubleheader with One FC Warrior Spirit from Kuala Lampur, Malaysia at 7:30 a.m. Eastern time followed by Final Fight Championships kickboxing at 1:30 p.m. from Ljubljana, Slovenia. The shows will air on the Fight Network in Canada, ZON in Portugal, D-Smart in Turkey and ZAP in Angola and Mozambique. Vitor Pinto vs. Nobutatsu Suzuki headlines for One FC. James McSweeney, a former UFC fighter from TUF season 10, will be fighting on the Slovenia show against Stefan Traunmuffler.\
--Traditional Championship Wrestling Saturday night in Fort Smith, AR at the Convention Center for a TV taping. Many of the performers will be at World of wireless at 8500 Phoenix Ave., in Fort Smith from 4-6 p.m. pushing late ticket sales. The match features a battle for control of TCW with Thomas Parker's Posse of Tommy Dreamer & Scott Phoenix & Americos & Shane Williams against The Empire of Matt Riviera & Steve Anthony & Greg Anthony & Tim Storm. Lance Hoyt and Vordell Walker are on the undercard.