SUN. UPDATE: Survivor Series preview and odds; Giant upset; Daniel Bryan talks first date; Mad Dog Vachon; Piper; Starrcade 83; History; Birthdays; Legends
By Dave Meltzer |
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*Randy Orton vs. Big Show for WWE title - There seems to be the feeling of some sort of a shmazz or screw job ending to build a return next month. If they try to play of 1997 with Bret Hart there it's so beyond overdone. I'd suspect either way the champion coming out of this show will be the heel, or at least should be.
*John Cena vs. Alberto Del Rio for world title - They could do anything and it's not like they've got a new opponent ready. Cena is expected to hold this title at Mania, but to pass time that doesn't mean they can't do a switcheroo. Still, most likely Cena retains.
*C.M. Punk & Daniel Bryan vs. Luke Harper & Erick Rowan - Could see this going either way. Punk & Bryan are the bigger stars. The Wyatt Family needs the win more.
*Cody Rhodes & Goldust & Usos & Rey Mysterio vs. Seth Rollins & Roman Reigns & Dean Ambrose & Jack Swagger & Antonio Cesaro in a tradition Survivor Series elimination match - Usually faces go over here, but if the idea is to set up a new tag team title challenger for the Rhodes brothers, and that is what this should be about, then one of the two heel teams should be left at the end. Expectation is a big night for Reigns either way.
*Big E Langston vs. Curtis Axel for IC title - Anything but a clean win for Langston here would be silly.
*Bella Twins & Natalya & Jo Jo & Eva Marie & Naomi & Cameron vs. A.J. Lee & Tamina Snuka & Alicia Fox & Aksana & Summer Rae & Kaitlyn & Rosa Mendes in an elimination match - Doesn't' really matter who wins. Question is how bad do they rush them through and how much interaction are Aksana and Mendes getting with Eva Marie and Jo Jo.
*Kofi Kingston vs. The Miz in the pre show match at 7:30 p.m. - Really, Miz just turned so he should win to get some steam on him. Both are pretty dead in the water right now.
I have to say this is the first WWE PPV in a long time that I look at on paper and think it won't be good. The Rhodes Brothers match looks like it'll probably be real strong. Cena vs. Del Rio will be fine, but I don't expect it to be great. Boston is usually a lively crowd which helps. Very difficult to get excited for a show with Orton vs. Show on top, because you think screw job going in and that's never a good thing. Plus, the last two shows have had high expectations going in and neither delivered.
Raw is live Monday from the Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, NY. Michael Strahan will be guest host.
Smackdown and Main Event will be taped Tuesday night at the Mohegan Sun Casino in Uncasville, CT.
The new issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter is up, talking the launch of the WWE Network as well as an idea that was brought up that would almost guarantee a successful launch, but one that doesn't come without serious risks, and we look at the risk/reward ratio. We also look at the new hire, the economics of the network at different price points and other factors involved.
We also look back at all the controversy coming out of the UFC 20th anniversary show, including the judging of the GSP vs. Johny Hendricks fight, the reaction to the judging, the realities of the ten point must scoring system, a look at other scoring systems and each's flaws, GSP's comments after the fight, Dana White's comments after the fight, interesting poll results regarding the main event, stats regarding the effect of the half-point scoring system and Pride scoring, White's blaming the commission, GSP's issues, what cost Hendricks the fight, the 20th anniversary party, business on the show, match-by-match coverage, and how much everyone earned.
We also have a huge UFC history piece, on the period that shaped UFC, from its original show, talking with the people who were there from the start, their memories, what problems ensued, what went wrong, what went right and all the various luck that was involved in bringing the sport up, nearly killing it, and its successful second birth. We also look back at the beginnings of MMA in Japan with Pancrase, how quickly UFC became a hit, threats to the people running it, how Joe Silva first got involved, the UFC curse, the court fights, the politicians, the battle with John McCain, the battle in New York, the show in Dothan, AL, the turning point for the original UFC and more.
We also look at all kinds of ironies from the early years to the modern period, the changing of the rules, the first time back on PPV, the Shamrock vs. Ortiz feud, the Ultimate Fighter and the first time UFC hit 1 million buys on PPV.
We also look at WrestleMania ticket sales, secondary market reaction, economic impact of WrestleMania, locals vs tourists at WrestleMania and more.
We also look at this year's Survivor Series, ticket sales, return of Rey Mysterio, Dwayne Johnson's latest movie project, WWE doing PPVs in Europe and does it make sense, new WWE signee, new products, Sheamus talks favorite WrestleMania moments, who the company is high on for the future, what wrestler with no push is selling merchandise well, Mickie James training at WWE, and Pat Patterson.
We also look at the WWE European tour with highlights from all the shows.
We also look at Antonio Inoki and his future in the Japanese senate after his latest escapade.
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--Wrestle-1 preparing its biggest show
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--80s wrestling figure returns
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--Boxing champion starting pro wrestling
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--New idea for 2014
--Notes on ROH television tapings
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--Gail Kim storyline
--Why Jon Jones isn't fighting
--Update on Anthony Pettis
--Update on GSP vs. Hendricks II
--More on first FOX special of 2014
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--Son of pro wrestler debuts in Bellator
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SUNDAY'S NEWS UPDATE
--Bryan and I will be back tonight with Wrestling Observer radio, covering Survivor Series, TNA's TV tapings, New Japan as well as taking e-mail questions that can be sent to
--Total Divas airs a new episode at 10 p.m. Will be interesting to see how much Survivor Series hurts the rating. SummerSlam hurt the rating significantly in August.
--Andy Ristie's win over Giorgio Petrosyan at the Glory show from the Madison Square Garden theater was in its own way bigger than if GSP or Anderson Silva lost, actually significantly. Petrosyan came into the fight 78-1-1 and had never been knocked out. He was clearly not himself due to injuries, but still had won the first two rounds before getting caught. His prior loss was nearly seven years ago in Thailand to Buakaw Por Pramuk, who himself was a legend, and that was via decision. That was 44 fights ago. It's not bigger in the sense in this country nobody knows him, but a 44 fight unbeaten streak, particularly being in plenty of tournaments where a lot can happen, is one incredibly impressive streak, really second to only Floyd Mayweather Jr.
--Daniel Bryan's 11-year-old yellow lab Asparagus the Wonder Dog died on 11/18. Our sympathies to him for that, because that's the worst. one of the worst things. He said he's grieving the loss and that every time he won a title, he would take a picture of himself and his dog with the belt. He's guaranteed a memorable match tonight.
--The death of Maurice Vachon got actually an incredible amount of press. Even in Vancouver, which was not even a place he regularly worked, it was on the front page of the Friday Vancouver Province. It was huge throughout Canada, particularly in Quebec and Manitoba, where he was more a cultural icon than just a pro wrestler.
--We're looking for feedback from anyone who attended the New York pro wrestling movie festival held over the weekend. Roddy Piper was there last night making an advertised appearance as they showed "Pro Wrestlers vs. Zombies." He did a surprise Piper's Pit for 35 minutes asking the audience what they thought and told a lot of stories. Joel Gertner was also there doing his character after the "Barbed Wire City" documentary aired.
--At this point that ban is so beyond ridiculous when it includes allowing amateur fights in the state that go completely unregulated.
--Today is the 30th anniversary of the original Starrcade at the Greensboro Coliseum, one of the biggest shows in pro wrestling history up to that point in time, which featured Ric Flair beating Harley Race for the NWA title, Roddy Piper over Greg Valentine in a dog collar match and Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood over the Briscos for the NWA tag title.
--Keep in mind this means nothing because the start money comes in around 6 p.m., but these were the morning WWE odds
Randy Orton -600
Big Show +850
John Cena -1000
Alberto Del Rio +1100
Punk & Bryan -400
Wyatt Family +225
Total Divas team -300
Non-Divas team +225
Big E Langston -800
Curtis Axel +450
Shield team -600
Rhodes team +350
--Yesterday was the 19 year anniversary of the death of Art "Love Machine" Barr, who was a legitimate franchise heel in AAA. At the time of his death, he and Eddy Guerrero were the best tag team in the business, and he was really the star of the team. Not saying he was the better wrestler, because he wasn't. There's a lot that can be said both positive and negative about him, and was, but he was an amazing performer.
--Former WWE women's champion Beth Phoenix turned 33 today. Velvet McIntyre, a woman's wrestling star of the 80s, turned 52 today.
--On this day in 2003, former NWA champion Dick Hutton passed away at 80. Hutton was one of the most underrated amateur wrestlers in U.S. history. He came one disputed decision away from being a four-time career unbeaten NCAA champion long before Cael Sanderson, but lost a disputed double overtime decision to Verne Gagne in 1948.
--Los Angeles promoter Mike LeBell was 79 when he passed away on this day in 2009. (thanks to Georgia Wrestling History)
--John Cena and the Bella Twins were at the Austin Comic Con yesterday on their "day off" from wrestling. Cena's lines were huge. They were filming the second season of Total Divas at the convention (thanks to Pete Schirmacher)
--Sheamus is in town for Survivor Series.
--On the front page of today's Sydney Morning Herald was a story on Greg Cummins, who everyone calls Hulk Hogan because he has the same look. He survived Typhoon Haiyan in Guiuan in the Pacific Ocean. Nearly everyone who was quoted in the story called Cummins by his Hulk Hogan nickname. Hogan should try and make a contact with him. (thanks to James Stanios)
ON THIS DAY IN PRO WRESTLING HISTORY
1938 - Sammy Stein beat Lobo Negro to win the world lightweight title in Mexico City
1952 - Edmund Francis beat Joe Scarpello to win the MWA world jr. title in Huntington WV
1956 - Boris & Niccoli Volkoff beat Reggie (Crusher) & Stan Lisowski to win the NWA world tag titles in Milwaukee
1965 - Giant Baba beat Dick the Bruiser in Osaka to win the vacant International title
1965 - The Medics beat Ken & Chris Lucas to win the Southern tag titles in Mobile
1965 - Hiro Matsuda & Dick Steinborn beat Kurt & Skull Von Stroheim to win the World tag team titles in Tampa
1970 - Bob Armstrong & Paul DeMarco beat Buddy Colt & Skandor Akbar to win the Macon tag team titles
1972 - Omar Atlas (Buddy Moreno) beat Harley Race to win the Central States title
1975 - The Kelly Twins beat Dale Lewis & Sigfried Stanke in Vancouver to win the Canadian Open tag team titles
1979 - Terry Gordy (at the age of 18) & Michael Hayes (20) beat Bill Watts & Buck Robley to win the Mid South tag titles in Shreveport
1979 - Bad Leroy Brown beat Sweet Brown Sugar (Skip Young) in St. Petersburg to win the Southern title
1979 - Invaders I & II (Jose Gonzalez & Manny Soto) beat Dory Funk Jr. & Terry Funk in Bayamon to win the WWC tag titles and Dick Steinborn beat Jose Rivera to win the Caribbean title
1980 - Ric Flair beat Greg Valentine in Greenville to win the U.S. title
1980 - Guy Mitchell (Jerry Valiant) & Roger Kirby beat Ken Lucas & Ricky Morton to win the Southern tag titles in Memphis
1983 - Chris Adams beat Jimmy Garvin to win the American title in Dallas. This was on a show headlined by a Kerry Von Erich vs. Michael Hayes loser leaves town match that set the all-time Texas gate record at the time and sold out 19,000 tickets in advance
1988 - Jeff Jarrett beat Eric Embry to win the World Class light heavyweight title in Jackson, TN
1988 - Ronnie Garvin beat Carlos Colon to win the Universal title in Carolina, PR and Ricky Santana beat Bobby Jaggers to win the Puerto Rican title
1990 - Jeff Jarrett & Cody Michaels beat Doug Gilbert & Tony Anthony to win the USWA tag titles in Jonesboro, AR
1993 - Tom Prichard & Jimmy Del Rey beat Ricky Morton & Robert Gibson at the Survivor Series in Boston to win the Smoky Mountain tag titles
POLL ON BELLATOR
59.3% of those responding didn't see the show
BEST OF THESE HALL OF FAMERS
Shinya Hashimoto 53.7%
Bill Longson 16.5%
Farmer Burns 14.9%
El Satanico 4.8%
Sandor Szabo 2.1%
Black Shadow 1.6%
Frank Sexton 1.1%
POLL ON SMACKDOWN
47.3% of those responding didn't see the show
WILL UFC 168 DO ONE MILLION BUYS?
--Bjorn Rebney after the show Friday said he was considering a Daniel Straus vs. Pat Curran rematch at featherweight rather than going with Straus vs. Patricio Pitbull, who just won the tournament. Curran is the former champion. Rebney made it clear it's just something he's considering and hasn't made up his mind.
--World Series of Fighting's next show is 12/7 from Vancouver has its lineup complete now.
Prelims on WSOF.com
Micah Brakefield vs. Brendan Kornberger
Dan Ring vs. Myles Merola
Ryan Chaippe vs. Marcus Vinicius
Matt Baker vs. David Perron
Michael Hill vs. Richard Arsenault
Shawn Albrecht vs. Jaosh Machan
NBC Sports live coverage
Dwayne Lewis vs. Kalib Starnes
Sabah Fadai vs. Nick Newell
Elvis Mutapcic vs. Jesse Taylor in a middleweight tourney semifinal
Georgi Karakhanyan vs. Lance Palmer for the WSOF featherweight title
--EWF will have a show to benefit the Boys and Girls Club of San Bernardino on 11/30 with $10 tickets for adults and $5 for kids. The show is at the Boys and Girls Club at 1180 W. 9t St. Info is at 909-886-5201 or 909-888-6751
--Pro Wrestling Battlarts from Thursday night in Oshawa, ONT: Will White over Preston Myales, Scott Turner and Marcus Marquis, Scotty O'Shea b John Greed, MsChif b Jewels Malone, Tyson Dux & Michael Elgin b Brent B & Alex Vegas, R.J. City b Hijo del Bigote, Cody Deaner b Ethan Page to win the open weight title in a match with all sorts of weapons legal (thanks to Steven Ashe)
--NWA Southern All-Star Wrestling from last night in Millersville, TN: Paul Lee b Kris Koffman, Chris Silvio b Lex Lee, Hammerjack & Gator McAllister b Kevin Weatherby & Charles Alexander, Shawn Shultz b Paul Lee, Ali Akbar b Drew Haskins, Heidi Lovelace b Miss Rachel, Chris Michaels b Chris Silvio, Cliff Compton b Shawn Shultz, Ali & Mustafa Akbar b Drew Haskins & Jeremiah Plunkett to win the Southern tag team titles (thanks to Lekisha Oliver)
--Brian Matheson at http://www.ebay.com/usr/musicfreak206
is selling his wrestling collection including Japanese tapes, as well as a lot of other items including chairs from WrestleMania 19 and No Mercy.
--AAW on 11/30 in Berwyn, IL at the Eagles Club headline by Shane Hollister vs. Kevin Steen and the finals of a tag team tournament which has semifinals of Irish Airborne vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Silas Young and Zero Gravity vs. Ethan Page & Ricochet, plus ACH vs. Matt Cage an Kyle O'Reilly vs. Ali
--CWE on 12/27 in Transcona, Manitoba at Rookie's Sports Bar.
--Vendetta Pro Wrestling from last night in Simi Valley, CA: Sunami & Kadin Anthony b Mario Banks & Mike Menace-DQ, Lil Cholo won over Rik Luxury and Willie Mack, Bo Cooper b Jacob Diaz, Kitana Vera & SoCal Crazy b Hudson Envy & Sledge, Tyler Bateman over Drunken Irishman, Ricky Ruffin and JD Horror, Billy Blade b Vintage Dragon, Jeckles won the first ever Roland Alexander Cup Battle Royal, Bruce Leroy (Tai Mak of the 80s movie Last Dragon) & Jimmy Yang b Jimi Mayhem & Shane Ballard (thanks to Scott Walton)
--Ultimate Victory Challenge from last night in Columbus, OH:
265: Mo Benzegala b Tyler Mullings via split decision
155: Ronnie Wilson b Blake Bitticker via choke 1:11
170: Alex Johnston b Mark McVicker armber 1:15 third round
155: Jesus Pacheco b Juliian Silvey TKO :59 2nd round
135: Sean Highfil b Floyd Cisco via unanimous decision
145: Darnell Pettis b Jordan Schembri TKO 3:00 2nd round
160: Stephen Stingleton b William Max Scoby triangle :55
265: Justin Woods b Tim Dunn TKO from punches 1:35
--Platinum Championship Wrestling on 12/7 in Porterdale, GA at 2001 Main St.
--Riot Pro Wrestling from last night in Palm Bay, FL: Alan Stratton b Cameron Jacobs, Tim Zbyszko & Chico Adams b Willie Brown & Gabriel Black to win the tag titles, Santana Garrett b Lizzie Parris, Chasyn Rance b Andrew Steele, Jason Cade b Blake Archer, Chasyn Race & Lince Dorado b Rhett Giddins & Josh Hess. Next show is 1/25 with Giddins vs. Dorado (thanks to Al Haft)