MON. UPDATE: Lots of WWE media, movie news, live fallout from Survivor Series, Hall of Famer may retire, UFC show on Saturday notes, Richards cancels tour, UFC video game cover update, huge bodybuilder death, Best TV show of past week
Monday, 25 November 2013 14:48
By Dave Meltzer |
We're looking for your thoughts on last night's Survivor Series and Saturday's New Japan show so you can leave a thumbs up, thumbs down or thumbs in the middle along with a best and worst match for each show to
Raw is live Monday from the Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, NY. Michael Strahan will be guest host.
Smackdown and Main Event will be taped Tuesday night at the Mohegan Sun Casino in Uncasville, CT.
The new issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter is up, talking the launch of the WWE Network as well as an idea that was brought up that would almost guarantee a successful launch, but one that doesn't come without serious risks, and we look at the risk/reward ratio. We also look at the new hire, the economics of the network at different price points and other factors involved.
We also look back at all the controversy coming out of the UFC 20th anniversary show, including the judging of the GSP vs. Johny Hendricks fight, the reaction to the judging, the realities of the ten point must scoring system, a look at other scoring systems and each's flaws, GSP's comments after the fight, Dana White's comments after the fight, interesting poll results regarding the main event, stats regarding the effect of the half-point scoring system and Pride scoring, White's blaming the commission, GSP's issues, what cost Hendricks the fight, the 20th anniversary party, business on the show, match-by-match coverage, and how much everyone earned.
We also have a huge UFC history piece, on the period that shaped UFC, from its original show, talking with the people who were there from the start, their memories, what problems ensued, what went wrong, what went right and all the various luck that was involved in bringing the sport up, nearly killing it, and its successful second birth. We also look back at the beginnings of MMA in Japan with Pancrase, how quickly UFC became a hit, threats to the people running it, how Joe Silva first got involved, the UFC curse, the court fights, the politicians, the battle with John McCain, the battle in New York, the show in Dothan, AL, the turning point for the original UFC and more.
We also look at all kinds of ironies from the early years to the modern period, the changing of the rules, the first time back on PPV, the Shamrock vs. Ortiz feud, the Ultimate Fighter and the first time UFC hit 1 million buys on PPV.
We also look at WrestleMania ticket sales, secondary market reaction, economic impact of WrestleMania, locals vs tourists at WrestleMania and more.
We also look at this year's Survivor Series, ticket sales, return of Rey Mysterio, Dwayne Johnson's latest movie project, WWE doing PPVs in Europe and does it make sense, new WWE signee, new products, Sheamus talks favorite WrestleMania moments, who the company is high on for the future, what wrestler with no push is selling merchandise well, Mickie James training at WWE, and Pat Patterson.
We also look at the WWE European tour with highlights from all the shows.
We also look at Antonio Inoki and his future in the Japanese senate after his latest escapade.
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Also in this week's issue:
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--Welterweight title change
--Dragon Gate USA's New York weekend including Hero vs. Gargano
--Wrestle-1 preparing its biggest show
--A.J. Styles in Japan
--The earthquake that shook the ring
--TNA tag team in Japan
--The 37th annual World's Strongest Tag league tournament
--New matches announced for NOAH's big year-end show including title matches featuring an ROH star, and a match featuring a former MMA star
--Notes on Price Devitt and his New Japan contract
--Lineup for the next several New Japan iPPV shows
--80s wrestling figure returns
--Puerto Rico's big show and latest programs
--More on Devon Nicholson's ongoing lawsuit against Abdullah the Butcher
--Boxing champion starting pro wrestling
--Updates on Eddie Edwards & Davey Richards
--What Richards said that got ROH hot
--New idea for 2014
--Notes on ROH television tapings
--TNA sale update
--More on outside talent being contacted by TNA
--Notes on upcoming TNA PPV shows
--Notes on upcoming TNA TV shoots
--Notes on the new Impact Zone in Orlando
--Gail Kim storyline
--Why Jon Jones isn't fighting
--Update on Anthony Pettis
--Update on GSP vs. Hendricks II
--More on first FOX special of 2014
--Update on Nick Diaz
--More on opening up women's 115
--Lots of new UFC shows and new UFC fights
--A look at the return of Rampage Jackson
--Sports vs. entertainment in MMA
--Upcoming on the Bellator title picture with Askren gone and tournaments ending
--The story behind Matt Riddle being fired
--Son of pro wrestler debuts in Bellator
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MONDAY'S NEWS UPDATE
--Bryan and I will be back tonight with Wrestling Observer radio, covering Raw and all the latest news, as well as taking e-mail questions that can be sent to
--Very little of note coming out of last night's Survivor Series. No updates on Luke Harper's knee. Vince McMahon was involved in the post-match as noted on the front page. He at one point was scheduled back this coming Monday but the way they change their minds, you never know.
--I will be on Steve Austin's podcast tomorrow for a show that clocked in at close to 100 minutes, much longer than we had planned. We just talk a lot of different topics, mostly pro wrestling, some MMA. We should have Austin on our show in a few weeks as well.
--John Cena will be on Neil Cavuto on the Fox Business Channel tonight at 8 p.m. (thanks to Jeff Beecher)
--Cena was also on with Kelly Ripa and Michael Strahan this morning promoting Raw.
--El Hijo del Santo announced today that he will be out of action for seven months due to spinal surgery and he is calling it a temporary retirement. If, after surgery, he can't come back, he will then retire. (thanks to Kris Zellner and others)
--UFC announced today that the 11/30 show, this coming Saturday night in Las Vegas, will feature three women's fights, an all-time record. Sarah Moras and Shayna Baszler are both injured and not on the show. Jessamyn Duke vs. Peggy Morgan will be one of the fights. Julianna Pena faces either Raquel Pennington or Jessica Rakoczy for the championship. The loser of Pennington vs. Rakoczy, which airs on Wednesday, will face Roxanne Modaferri. The three winners will all end up on the roster. If any of the losers look impressive, they have a chance to be as well.
--Matt Grice, who was in terrible shape after being rear-ended several months back, needing emergency brain surgery, was a guest of Ariel Helwani today on the MMA Hour.
--Davey Richards canceled his NOAH tour that he was supposed to leave for today, including his 12/7 match for their jr. title against Taiji Ishimori at the Ariake Colosseum card. He said he suffered a neck injury.
--In the New Japan tag team tournament, tomorrow they are in Osaka with Tetsuya Naito & La Sombra vs. Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Satoshi Kojima, Kazuchika Okada & Yoshi-Hashi vs. Karl Anderson & Doc Gallows and Masato Tanaka & Yujiro Takahashi vs. Prince Devitt & Bad Luke Fale.
--From someone backstage last night, at the 90 minute mark of the show, when the only thing trending was Bret Hart, there were a lot of people unhappy. Not necessarily the bigwigs who had bigger fish to fry at that point, but others were not in a good mood over the inability to get stuff to trend past the music awards and the NFL.
--The voting for the cover guy for the EA Sports UFC video game, along with Jon Jones, has come down to Alexander Gustafsson and Georges St-Pierre, which were the two expected as the finalists. Essentially it comes down to whether more Swedes or Canadians vote.
--WWE announced a new movie called "Incarnte" that they are working on with Blumhouse Productions. It will be a suspense movie. Mark Henry will have a role in the movie.
--Sheamus was visible to those there live watching the show behind a railing for part of the event.
--Very negative feeling leaving the building we're told. It never felt like a main event, the finish was flat and people were complaining on the way out.
--Chris Nowinski will be on the TV show "Katie" tomorrow talking about brain injuries.
--Greg Kovacs, a huge bodybuilder who was pushed hard in magazines from about 1995-2004, passed away earlier today from a heart attack at the age of 44. He was the biggest of the pro bodybuilders from 1997 to 2005, and while he never placed highly in contests, he was popular for the claims that he was 420 pounds with 25 inch arms and a 70 inch chest.
WILL SURVIVOR SERIES BEAT LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS?
About the same 9.8%
POLL ON ROH TV SHOW
62.7% of those responding didn't see the show
POLL ON GLORY TV SHOW
65.9% of those responding didn't see the show
WHAT DID YOU WATCH SATURDAY?
65.3% watched neither
BEST TV SHOW OF THE PAST WEEK
Total Divas 14.0%
Ultimate Fighter 11.3%
UFC Tonight 1.1%
Inside MMA 0.5%
Main Event 0.0%
--Progress Wrestling from yesterday in Islington, London before a sellout of 350 fans: Tommy End b Mikey Whiplash, Kris Travis & Martin Kirby b Grado & Mad Man Manson, Doug Williams b Nathan Cruz, Adam Cole b Mark Haskins, Darrell Allen & RJ Singh DCOR James Davis & Rob Lynch, Rampage Brown b Stixx, Mark Andrews b Paul Robinson, Mark Andrews b Rampage Brown to win the Progress title, Jimmy Havoc b Mark Andrews to win the Progress title. Zack Sabre Jr will challenge for the title on 1/26. Cole was a surprise. He was in England working for Tidal Championship Wrestling and had an off date. Allen & Singh vs. Davis & Lynch will be rematched in a street fight on 3/30, which is the company's second anniversary show. (thanks to Martin Bentley)
--AIW on Friday in Cleveland at Turners Hall featuring Kevin Steen vs. Johnny Gargano and Michael Hutter (Ethan Carter III in TNA) vs. Tim Donst.
--On the 12/7 World Series of Fighting show, Ryan Chiappe pulled out of his fight with Marcus Vinicius, and will be replaced by Ryan Dickson. Dickson, 24, from Hamilton, ONT, is 6-1 with five subs and one knockout. His biggest win, however, was over testicular cancer.
--There will be a head-to-head battle that night as Invicta will be running a PPV for $14.95 starting at 9 p.m. with three title matches from Kansas City.
ON THIS DAY IN PRO WRESTLING HISTORY (thanks to Brian Hoops and Graeme Cameron)
1982 - Stagger Lee, who was Junkyard Dog under a mask, beat Ted DiBiase at the Superdome in New Orleans to win the North American title
1985 - Fabulous Moolah beat Wendi Richter in Madison Square Garden to win the WWF women's title. That was a double-cross finish. Richter hadn't signed a new contract and she didn't know she was losing. Moolah was under a mask as Spider Lady and Moolah held onto a cradle and the ref counted three. Richter never wrestled again in WWF. Even though she was inducted into their Hall of Fame and appareled on Raw last year, she made it clear at Cauliflower Alley what she thought of WWF and Moolah.
1991 - Kamala beat Jerry Lawler to win the USWA title in Memphis and Robert Fuller & Mike Mitchell beat Doug Masters & Bart Sawyer to win the USWA tag titles.
--Insane Clown Posse tours Australia from 12/4 to 12/8 with shows in Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney and Fremantle (thanks to James Stanios)
--CMLL from last night in Guadalajara: Yacqui & Relampago Azul b Indigo & Explosivo, Martin Escobedo & Tony Escobedo b Demonio Rojo & Joker, Rafaga & Exterminador & Demonio Maya b Leon Blanco & Virgo & Halcon de Plata, Stuka Jr & Leo & Back Metal b Magnum & Malefico & Espectrum, Rush & Valiente & Super Popular b Dragon Rojo Jr. & Rey Escorpion & Polvora. This sets up Escorpion vs. Rush for the CMLL light heavyweight title in the main event on Sunday.
--Dory Funk Jr.'s BANG on Friday night in Ocala, FL at the Bang Soundstage with a three way last woman standing main event and an intergender tag team match. They will open at 5:45 p.m. with two taped matches from the All Japan Sumo Hall show, The Funks vs. Osamu Nishimura & Masa Fuchi and Akebono vs. Suwama.
--EFC Gladiators on Saturday night in Parsippany, NJ at the Parsippany PAL features Robert Boden, 21-year-old a culinary arts student at Suffolk Community College, facing EFC light heavyweight champion Chris Vallaro.