WED. UPDATE: Barrios talks WWE network, TV negotiatiang leverage, Velasquez surgery update, Sheamus recovery, Hunt vs Silva replay, Lots of WWE on sales, New WWE book
Wednesday, 11 December 2013 16:01
By Dave Meltzer |
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We've got a very news-heavy issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter up on the site today as well as a new back issue from 1996.
We look at Daniel Bryan and the Slammy Awards show, and how this is an example of a rapidly changing business and why the mixed messages and changing economic structure make things so much different than any other time in history.
We look at the last time the market changed wrestling history in a huge way and whether this will or won't. We look at the angle at the end of the Slammys, how it did and didn't build TLC and if all, some or none if the matches it did build will even happen and if it matters.
We look at all the awards, matches and angles from Monday as well.
We also have a look at the proposed WWE Network and UFC Network. We look at the similarities, differences and most important long-term goals, both how they are similar and how they are very different. We look at costs of original programming, how many subscribers the network would have needed had it been a TV network if WrestleMania was on it this year. We look at the business of PPV on the Internet alone, the highlights of each package and chances of each.
We also look at the changes in the upper echelon of WWE, and what they mean for Stephanie McMahon, Michelle Wilson and George Barrios. We look at who answers to who, how things are the same and how they are different.
We also look at WrestleMania coming to Santa Clara, how the decision was made, what was unique about the decision, how many cities were after it, and looking at WrestleMania site decisions in the future. We also look at what former NFL star in the 70s played a part in WrestleMania coming to Northern California.
We've got notes on the death of UFC fighter Shane Del Rosario, more on what was believed to have been the heart condition that caused his death, what happened the past two weeks and more.
We also have a feature on the UFC show in Australia and the greatest heavyweight fight in UFC history between Mark Hunt and Antonio Silva. We look at the career turnaround of Hunt, judging the fight, why everyone accepted the draw, the potential of a rematch, business and ratings notes from the show and match-by-mach coverage.
We also look at Hulk Hogan and WWE, Stephanie McMahon's stock sales, Vince McMahon's WWE stock holdings, WWE's Tough pre-Christmas television taping schedule, what WWE star is their a name trademark issue with, a new WWE signing, Rock movie update and background on a new WWE announcing hire. We also have more on post-Christmas live shows, business from the past week as well as highlights from all the weekend house shows.
We also have the 2013 Japanese media awards for pro wrestling.
We've also got a look at the biggest non-WWE pro wrestling event of the year, the 1/4 show at the Tokyo Dome. We've got the complete lineup, an analysis of the card and recent history involving the headliners.
We've also got notes on the New Japan tag team tournament, as well as a look at the final night show.
We also look back at the career of Akira Taue with his retirement, as well as his farewell show report.
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--Dos Caras' final match in Japan
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--Jake Roberts and wrestling
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--Maria Kanellis talks heat with Bella Twins
--Why the A.J. Styles situation makes TNA look bad
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--A look at all of TNA's TV through January 9th and where the angles are going
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--Time Magazine lists Ronda Rousey as a game changer
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WEDNESDAY'S NEWS UPDATES
--Bryan and I will be back tonight covering Raw as well as all the latest wrestling news. If you've got e-mail questions for the show they can be sent to
--WWE's George Barrios spoke today at the UBS Annual Global Media and Communications Conference. Among the things he noted:
*If WWE leaves USA, they'll to from No. 1 in prime time to No. 4 or No. 5 - beginning of leverage
*Said that any top 50 network could pick up Raw or Smackdown and they'd get them into the top ten
*Their viewer watch their TV show like a sports show - ie sports getting the big increase in rights fees
*Said they still may start the network on television and not the Internet. That logo I saw yesterday would seem to indicate they've made up their mind.
*He said that on the Internet, they still need 1 million subscribers per month to break even because there are additional costs they wouldn't have running a network on television
*They are hopeful of signing new contract deals with Raw and Smackdown by the end of April
*He noted that WWE gets one-fifth to one-tenth the money for their programming per viewer watching than NHL, NASCAR, NBA and MLB.
*They believe India will be gigantic for them long term.
*They believe their TV is more valuable than NASCAR (which gets six times as much money) because their viewer numbers are the same but NASCAR viewers are far more skewed over 40
*One year ago, their data showed doing a network on the Internet wasn't viable. Today they believe it is because of changing viewer habits.
--Sheamus has received setbacks in his recovery and can't give a timetable on his return in a WWE web site interview. He said he's leery of coming back too soon.
--Cain Velasquez underwent shoulder surgery for a torn labrum in his left shoulder yesterday. Estimates right now are that he won't be able to train on it for six months, so we're talking probably around nine months before he can defend the title. He got the injury in his September win over Junior Dos Santos and was hopeful of it being able to heal without surgery.
--The NCAA Division 1 wrestling tournament will be in St. Louis in 2015, New York in 2016, St. Louis in 2017 and Cleveland in 2018. Will be something if they can book it in Madison Square Garden and get six sellouts in a row.
--To what should be the shock of almost nobody, the first repeat on Saturday on the Mark Hunt vs. Antonio Silva fight was the most watched repeat of a UFC event thus far on FS 1, with 316,000 viewers.
ON THIS DAY IN PRO WRESTLING HISTORY
1953 - Sonny Myers beat Len Montana in St. Joseph, MO to win the Central States title
1971 - The Spoiler beat Wahoo McDaniel in San Antonio to win the American title
1975 - All Japan Pro Wrestling ran its first show ever at Budokan Hall, headlined by Giant Baba & The Destroyer beating Dory Funk Jr. & Jumbo Tsuruta
1980 - Giant Baba & Jumbo Tsuruta beat Dory Funk Jr. & Terry Funk in more than 40 minutes to win the Real World Tag League tournament
1987 - Jumbo Tsuruta & Yoshiaki Yatsu beat Bruiser Brody & Jimmy Snuka to win the Real World Tag League tournament at Budokan Hall in Tokyo
1987 - The Crush Gals, Lioness Asuka & Chigusa Nagayo, beat Bull Nakano & Condor Saito to win the All Japan women tag team tournament
1988 - Reuben Amada beat Manami Toyota in Tokyo to win the Japanese women's jr. title
1988 - Devil Masami beat India Azteca in Mexico City to win the UWA International women's title
1996 - The Gladiator (Mike Awesome) beat Wing Kanemura in Tokyo to win the FMW Independent world title
1996 - HHH beat Shawn Michaels to win the European title in Lowell, MA
2002 - Sonny Siaki beat Jerry Lynn in Nashville to win the TNA X Division title
--Presale for the 2/23 Elimination Chamber PPV in Minneapolis started today at 10 a.m. with the code CHAMBER
--Presale for WWE show on 2/16 in Las Vegas at the Thomas & Mack Center started today at 10 a.m. with the code WWEFAN
--Presale for WWE show on 2/15 in Phoenix at the US Airways Center started today at 10 a.m. with the code WWEFAN
--Presale for WWE shows on 8/7 in Melbourne, 8/8 in Sydney and 8/9 in Perth started today at 10 a.m. at Foxtel. Tickets go on sale to the public on 12/17. (thanks to James Stanios)
--Presale for the 2/25 Smackdown tapings in Milwaukee started today at 10 a.m. with the code WWEHOLIDAY
--Presale for WWE on 2/9 in Bakersfield at the Rabobank Arena started today at 10 a.m. with the code WWEFAN
--That's also the same code for the upcoming Ontario, CA show in February.
--For 2/9 in Fresno, the preshow has the code WWESMC and is on sale now
--WWE will be releasing a 50 year history of the promotion book that will be written by Kevin Sullivan, by DK publishing, some time next year. (the WWE book writer, not the wrestler)
--The Little Rock Arkansas Democrat/Gazette had a story on Billy Robinson, who lives in Little Rock and trains fighters.
WHO DO YOU THINK WILL WIN THIS FIGHT?
Demetrious Johnson 71.4%
Joseph Benavidez 28.6%
WHO WAS THE STAR OF RAW?
Daniel Bryan 81.6%
John Cena 7.7%
Shawn Michaels 3.1%
C.M. Punk 2.7%
The Shield 1.6%
Stephanie McMahon 1.5%
Bray Wyatt 0.6%
Randy Orton 0.4%
POLL ON RAW
12.1% of those responding didn't see the show
ARE YOU MORE OR LESS INTERESTED IN THIS YEAR'S TOKYO DOME SHOW COMPARED TO LAST YEAR?
More interested 40.3%
Less interested 26.9%
Don't follow Japanese wrestling 32.8%
--WWE returns to Jacksonville on 3/1 at the Veterans Memorial Arena
--In a correction from Monday, in the 1939 George Pencheff win over Tom Lurich to win the Australian heavyweight title, it was Pencheff who then held the title for 17 years, not Lurich losing it after holding it for 17 years. Pencheff lost it in 1957. Lurich held the same title form 1933 to 1939.
--K-1 will be running on 12/28 in Foshan, China on Epicentre.tv featuring Buakaw Banchamek vs. Zhou ZhiPeng and Andy Souwer vs. Enriko Kehl.
--Chaotic Wrestling Fan Appreciation night on 12/13 in Lowell, MA at the Polish American Veteran Club. They are asking fans to bring an unwrapped toy for the Lowell PAV Toys for Tots drive.
--Australasian Wrestling Federation from Friday night in Windsor, Australia: Ben Coles b Andy Rhodes, Massive Q b Diego Del Fuego, Apollo b Rob Barnes, Mighty Mei b Haley Summers, Dean Draven b Saxon Bruce, Michael Elgin b TNT
--Australasian Wrestling Federation from Saturday night in Windsor, Australia: Rob Barnes b Saxon Bruce, Ben Coles over Shaneshaw and Diego Del Fuego Gladiator Apollo b Massive Q, Dean Draven b Michael Elgin, Jay Lay b TNT-DQ, Mighty Mel b Leprendra & Rachel Rose, Gladiator Apollo b Dean Draven to win the OJ Fitzpatrick Memorial Cup. Next show is 1/22 at the Windsor Wrestling Arena.
--A.J. Styles is booked on 2/7 for Deep Southern Wrestling.
--CMLL Sunday in Guadalajara: Brillante Jr. b Samael, Angel Del Mal & Demonio Rojo b Martin & Tony Escobedo, Divino b Sadico, Espectrum & Infierno & Demonio Maya b Leon Blanco & Idolo & Esfinge, Solar & Gallo & Stuka Jr. b Negro Navarro & Barbara Cavernario & Rafaga, Ultimo Guerrero & Gran Guerrero b Atlantis & La Mascara
--CMLL Monday night in Puebla: Aguila Egripcia & Bengala b Malyo & Zayco, Espiritu Maligno & King Jaguar b Leono & Robin, Camorra & Cancerbero & Raziel b Hombre Bala Jr. & Sagrado & Stigma, Mr. Aguila & Kraneo & Olimpico b Delta & Guerrero Maya Jr. & Titan, Blue Panther b Averno, Atlantis & Mistico b Gran Guerrero & Ultimo Guerrero-DQ
--CMLL Tuesday night in Guadalajara: Black Metal & Leo b Exterminador & Malefico, Raziel & Mr Trueno & Rey Trueno b Magnus & Sky Kid & Smaker, Goya Kong & Marcela & Silueta b Amapola & Comandante & Tiffany, Negro Navarro & Olimpico & Reapper b Sagrado & Soar & Stuka Jr., Averno & Mephisto & Ephesto b Mascara Dorada & Mistico & Valiente in a non-title match to set up a CMLL trios title match next week
--ECWA on 1/4 in Newark, DE at the Greater Newark Boys & Girls Club
--The ICP TV show returns to the Fuse Network tonight. The show features Greg Valentine, ICP and Kevin Gill as regulars. The show airs at 11:30 p.m. Eastern and 8:30 p.m.Pacific time.
--Will Ferrell talks about imitating Ric Flair on Eastbound and Down on Marc Maron's podcast and even did a Flair imitation.
--Cage Warriors airs live on The fight Network on Friday at 1 p.m. from Amman, Jordan headlined by James Bruno vs. Marat Pekov.