MON. UPDATE: More from Bound for Glory, Injury notes, title switch, Hall of Fame, New TV shows



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Raw tonight is a taped show from Saturday night at the Palacio de los Deportes in Mexico City:
Randy Orton & Sheamus & John Morrison vs. Mark Henry & Cody Rhodes & Christian
Eve Torres vs. Natalya
C.M. Punk vs. The Miz
Zack Ryder vs. Jack Swagger
Mason Ryan vs. Dolph Ziggler
John Cena & Jim Ross vs. Alberto Del Rio & Michael Cole       

We're also looking for reports on Saturday's Smackdown  house show in Veracruz.

TNA will be taping Impact on Tuesday and Wednesday this week in Orlando.  No day after the PPV taping.  Tomorrow's taping will include Tara & Brooke Tessmacher vs. Angelina Love & Winter for the Knockouts tag titles and Scott Steiner vs. Abyss.  

Our annual Hall of Fame issue of the Observer, the most talked about issue of the year, will be coming out in next week.   If you are a print subscriber and sign up for this set, you will be getting the issue.  It will be a double issue with bios of new Hall of Famers, complete voting records and a detailed story plus the updated list of Hall of Fame members.

WWE's most heavily hyped DVD release of the season, the Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels face-to-face with Jim Ross as moderator, is the lead story in this week's issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

The DVD looks back at the career of both men, with a heavy emphasis on one of the most famous matches in history, the 1997 Survivor Series match.  In our new issue, we look back at the careers of both men, their legacies in the sport, the events leading to the double-cross and looking back 14 years, perspective on how it went down and a key, perhaps the key person involved, in what ended up leading to Vince McMahon making the call that he did.

We look at the DVD, comments from both men, historical accuracy, the Vince McMahon viewpoint, how Jim Ross directed traffic, the emotion from both men and why this DVD will be tough to top in future releases.

We look at what has been said that makes sense and a key thing said that to this day still doesn't make sense.  We look at who knew, and the key phone call with Vince McMahon, Michaels and HHH, in Michaels own words about how it went south.

We look at how much wrestling has changed and how something that was so big then looks so silly now.  We look at both men's career before WWE, what frustrated Shawn Michaels so much when his WWE career started and how something that was considered a positive for him in the ring in the AWA was such a negative in WWE.  We look at the unique perception of size in pro wrestling in those days, as well as the days of The Rockers and The original Hart Foundation in the 80s and early 90s.

We talk about the night The Rockers won the tag team titles, only to have it erased from history, and the reason why given publicly as well as the real reason.  We look at Bret Hart talking about one of his worst matches ever in the company.

We look at Hart winning the IC title, and why Hart thought it was a breakthrough, as did Jim Ross, and why Michaels did not, but what Michaels saw that Hart did that was a breakthrough for him.  We look at why the Hart Foundation and Rockers would often close shows while being considered mid-card acts.  We look at the reasons WWE on house shows used to put the main event in the middle of the show instead of at the end.

We look at Hart talking about the main event scene before he headlined, and a person he said was a friend, and was also a friend of Michaels, who he said was not successful as champion and pointed to the specific match where he knew the man's reign was going down.

Both men talk about their friendship when they were starting, and how it fell apart in the last two years they were together.  We also look at the brief period when Bill Watts came in as booker, and how this affected both men because of his opinions of them.  

We look at business, as well as Hart talking about one of his title reigns that in his heart he said felt like it meant nothing, and what famous title reign it can be compared with.  We look at Hart having one of the better matches in company history but it being one of the least purchased PPV shows.

We look at different statements made by Michaels in 1996 and 1997 and how Hart took them badly, and Michaels response.  We look at the first time WCW approached Hart and the unrest in the WWE locker room.

We look at Hart and Michaels attempting to work everyone into believing they were shooting and ended up working themselves into ruining what could have been a major program.

We look at why the 1997 WrestleMania was not headlined by the Michaels vs. Hart title match return as originally planned.  We look at Hart saying he believes Michaels was faking his knee injury that caused a brief retirement and Michaels response to that accusation.

We look at the incidents that caused the two to mistrust each other, attempts at working things out, and why they kept falling apart.  We look at why the two never wrestled in a major singles match for a year-and-a-half when they were the two top guys in the company, and both admitting blame.

We look at what caused the Survivor Series double-cross to take place, including a number of important matches where the finishes were changed that led to hostility and why the dynamic was what it was.

We look at what Vince McMahon had said for years and was never said in this DVD.  We look at where Eric Bischoff fit into everything, whether Hart ever refused to drop the title, the buy rates of the big shows of that year and how telling they were, and what happened when Vince McMahon decided to have Bret Hart win in Montreal and why it didn't happen.

We also look at the dynamic between Bret Hart and HHH in 1997, and where The Rock fit into the equation.  We also look at the one thing WWE feared most could have happened in the ring in Montreal.  We look at Michaels' reaction in hindsight on Montreal, as well as the original plans for a double-cross finish and why it didn't happen the way McMahon envisioned it.

We also look at why Hart even came to Montreal and why he could have easily skipped it contractually.  We look at what Michaels regretted, and what he didn't regret, about what happened.  We also look at the fight with Bret Hart and Vince McMahon, the scene in Wrestling with Shadows with Julie Hart telling off HHH, and Michaels attempting to get closure from Hart, taking a first step, but then never taking the next step and why.

It's one of the most talked about, perhaps the single most talked about controversy in pro wrestling and the first time the participants were together answering questions on it.

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We also look at the framework and how far in advance when it comes to big shows that WWE creative is talking about.  We look at ideas that have been thrown around this past week, and almost for sure aren't going to happen.  We've got more on Brock Lesnar in the WWE video game, as well as Lesnar talking about the two matches he's most interested in doing if he were to come back for a big show.  Lesnar for the first time comments about how he probably will do something in the ring with WWE again.

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We also look at a new WWE signing, more twitter tales of a guy whose career is not looking healthy right now, as well as business notes from the weekend and notes from all of the WWE house shows.      

We also have notes on UFC changing the PPV starting time, and different reasons why this may have happened.

We also have a look at one of AAA's biggest events of the year, Heroes Inmortales, how it did, what the problems were, the shocking turns of two of the company's biggest babyfaces as well as Jeff Jarrett, Magnus, Abyss, Sting and Velvet Sky all appearing on the show.

We also look at the real story about the sad state of former WWE and TNA star, Travis Tomko.  We look at the particulars of his arrest, and his drug addiction.

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We also look at the former UFC name who went into pro wrestling who is accused of killing a cell mate in prison.

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Also in this week's issue:

--More details on the shooting death of Dr. X this past week and a look back at his career

--Why his CMLL career ended

--What famous wrestling character is being brought back and if it is a good idea

--The Leyenda de Plata tournament

--All Japan's next major show and the build up

--Story behind Kenta Kobashi being out as Vice President of NOAH

--Next NOAH title match

--A look at New Japan's annual tag team tournament

--The 40th anniversary show of Mil Mascaras going to Japan

--Ric Flair, Edge and Mick Foley work on the Shane Hems fund raiser, a look at his injuries and comments on what happened including the stars who gave private donations

--A look at the indie wrestling PPV show this week

--What former WWE wrestler was at UFC this past week and is talking about going into MMA, wanting to be a star there, and then return to pro wrestling

--Notes on ROH television and thought son the show

--Notes on Bruce Prichard as head of creative in TNA

--More on Bound for Glory

--Notes on Hulk Hogan's video game, as well as the first night he was called Hulk Hogan

--Update on Ric Flair

--Who deserves the praise for the Bobby Roode videos

--TNA couple

--Update on charges against Kurt Angle

--A look at TNA's tour of Quebec

--UFC's primary sponsor on FOX

--A look at the Toronto UFC show and the announcement of Jones vs. Machida

--Jones talks Rashad Evans

--Evans talks about being replaced as the next contender

--The last Strikeforce show of the year

--Fighter who isn't Chael Sonnen says he'll retire if he loses

--Bellator welterweight tournament update

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--Some more notes on Bound for Glory.  Both Hulk Hogan and Kurt Angle were hurting pretty bad once they got through the curtain.  The report we got is Hogan was as you would expect, no better or worse, but he was hurting real bad.  Angle was worse than you would expect even having seen the show, the "X" sign and everything.  Angle needed help in the back just to get to his locker room and he was laying there for a while.

--The Angle vs. Roode finish was changed the day of the show.  Several people noted that Roode was planned to win, including one person who they do business with that noted they were planning on marketing Roode as champion going forward.  I can't say factually it was Hulk Hogan responsible for the change, but that is the prevailing belief within the company.

--Bryan and I will be back after Raw tonight, talking Raw in Mexico City, more Bound for Glory fallout and we should have time to take questions tonight so you can send any questions on MMA or pro wrestling to us at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it

--Inside MMA debuts live tonight at 8 p.m. HDNet. This is the new permanent time slot.  Kenny Rice and Bas Rutten are joined by Phil Davis, Matt  Hume, Roy Nelson and Frank Mir, plus they will announce a new promotion signing with HDNet.

--Just a note that the Hall of Fame issue of the Observer will be out on Wednesday.  It will be the biggest issue of the year with several major bios.  To get the speculation going, there were three people voted into the Hall of Fame this year.

--WWE has announced another new TV show for its network, a reality show where a bunch of former wrestling stars are put into a home for a length of time.  Names being considered are WWE House of Fame, WWE Old Timer Access, WWE Retired and Rowdy Roommates, WWE Old School Yard and WWE Legends House.

--Pedro Rizzo is out of his scheduled 11/5 fight with Tim Sylvia due to suffering a torn triceps in his left arm.  This was for the second Pro Elite show in Moline, IL and Sylvia vs. Rizzo was the scheduled main event.  

--Chuck Langerman's daily wrestling trivia concerns Lex Luger.  The former Larry Pfohl went to Orchard Park High School in New York (just outside of Buffalo) and on the football team, he was teammates with Craig Wolfley who played offensive line for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and Jim Burt, who played nose tackle on the New York Giants and San Francisco 49ers had has Super Bowl rings from Super Bowl 21 and 24.  Luger went to Penn State and the University of Miami and eventually played with the Montreal Alouettes of the CFL, had a cup of coffee in camp with the Green Bay Packers, and played in the USFL with the team in Memphis.

--Jim Ross, Michael Hayes, Gene Okerlund, Diamond Dallas Page and Roddy Piper are being brought into Connecticut this week to tape two round table discussions for WWE 24/7.    

--Not that this will make a major difference in the buy rate for last night's Bound for Glory, but the St. Louis Cardinals vs. Milwaukee Brewers game did a 3.93 rating on the metered markets on TBS and Sunday Night Football with the Minnesota Vikings vs. Chicago Bears did a 10.9 metered market rating.

--ROH Survival of the Fittest show on 11/18 in Dayton has announced a non-tournament match for the show, an all champions match with Davey Richards (ROH champion) & Jay Lethal (TV champion) vs. Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas (tag team champions).

--Ultimate Warrior will be appearing with Winds of Plague at their Halloween night show in Los Angeles at The Wiltern.  He will be introducing the song "The Warrior's Code" which is in the band's latest album "Against the World."  (thanks to Robert Pasbani)

--Poll on Smackdown
Excellent 12.3%
Good 26.4%
Average 30.1%
Fair 12.3%
Poor 19.0%
44.0% of those responding didn't see the show

--Poll on Bellator
Excellent 28.6%
Good 45.2%
Average 11.9%
Fair 4.8%
Poor 9.5%
72.4% of those responding didn't see the show

--Poll on Saturday's ROH TV show
Excellent 38.8%
Good 38.8%
Average 7.1%
Fair 7.1%
Poor 8.2%
50.5% of those responding didn't see the show

--Best foreign tag team in Japanese history
Terry Gordy & Steve Williams 26.6%
Bruiser Brody & Stan Hansen 20.8%
Road Warriors 16.8%
Dory & Terry Funk 12.2%
Dynamite Kid & Davey Boy Smith 9.9%
Rick & Scott Steiner 9.1%
Abdullah the Butcher & The Sheik 1.1%
Bruiser & Crusher 1.0%
Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch 1.0%
Hulk Hogan & Stan Hansen 0.9%
Mike & Ben Sharpe 0.5%
Bruiser Brody & Jimmy Snuka 0.2%   

--Jim Ross talks his experience in Mexico, JBL, being Raw G.M. and Chael Sonnen at http://www.jrsbarbq.com

--A story on the new Bob Holly autobiography is at http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2011/10/16/18832211.html

--Varsity Pro Wrestling is doing a seminar with Fit Finlay on 10/27 from Noon to 3 p.m. at the Portsmouth Guildhall.

--Maximum Fighting Championships announced its next show on 1/27 in Edmonton at the Mayfield Conference Center, airing live on HDNet.  The main event will be Antonio McKee, the world's least exciting fighter, defending his lightweight title against Brian Cobb and Dwayne Lewis vs. Wilson Gouveia in what will be the MFC's first five-round non-title fight.  Cobb knocked out Drew Fickett to earn the title shot.

--Dann Lennard and Mark Williamson talk the Australian wrestling scene and Luke Gallows coming to the country at http://kirbyyourenthusiasm.libsyn.com/what-would-chris-benoit-do-ep-19-sc ene-sickess-

--Tulalip Championship Wrestling from Saturday night in Marysville, WA:  Nate Andrews b Draven Vargas in a loser leaves town match, Kellen Raeth & Cole Bishop b Damon Jones & Exile, Mike Santiago b C.J. Edwards, Wildcard b Calibur X, Dash Venture b Azeem the Dream, Azul Angel b Aaron Bolo.  Next show is 11/4 at the Pacific Rim Restaurant. (thanks to Charles Short)

--Bret Hart will be appearing at the Central Canadian Comic Con 2011 for C4W from 10/28 to 10/30.  C4W will be presenting five wrestling shows that weekend using Harry Smith among others.  Also at the convention on 10/29 will be WWF legend William Shatner.  For more info go to http://www.cf4con.com

--Douglas Williams will be doing a seminar on 10/22 from 12:30 p.m. to 4:30 p.m.  at the New England Pro Wrestling school at 100 Belmont St,, North Andover, MA.  He will also be doing a show the next day at 3 p.m. in Malden, MA at 177 West St.  For more info go to http://www.neprowrestling.com

--All Pro Wrestling TV show at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfsdNd6DShs&feature=feedu  The show features Jeckles vs. Timothy Thatcher (who did the Wrestling Revolution Project) which is said to be one of APW's best matches of the year.

--Stacey Keibler was on page 2 of the New York Daily News going with George Clooney to a screening of "The Descendents" in New York. (thanks to Joe Puccio)  

--An interview with Bushwhacker Luke is at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cutrer/201...acker-luke

--CHIKARA announced for 10/30 in Williamsport, PA at the Campbell Street Center a tag title match with Chuck Taylor & Johnny Gargano vs. Dasher Hatfield & Sugar Dunkerton plus Tursas vs. Sara Del Rey and UltraMantis Black & Hallowicked vs. Delirious & Jakob Hammermeier as well as Eddie Kingston vs. Eddie Edwards.

--A story on Billy Corgan's new wrestling promotion is at http://loudwire.com/smashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-wrestling-promotion/  (thanks to Neil Trama III)

--IPW and Nu Wrestling Evolution in Europe are planning a big show on 4/28 in London at the Troxy with Carlito and Davey Richards.   

--Silas Young interview at http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/206179411-Interviews:-Silas-You ng-of-AAW.-DGUSA.-and-Evolve.htm

--HWA from Saturday night in Hamilton, ONT:  Ron Mathis b Troy Marcum, Chris Hall b Dustin Rayz-DQ, Jon Murray & Clark Konnor b Sid Fabulous & Jerry Andrews, Mickie Knuckles b Trash Cassidy, B.J. Whitmer b Jesse Emerson-DQ, Noble Bloods b Jeremy Madrox & Juice Jennigs-DQ, Remi Wilkins over James Avery, Aaron Williams, Jeff Mayhem and Tripp Cassidy, Jake Crist b Dave Crist.  Next shows are 10/29 in Norwood, OH as well as the weekly Tuesday shows in Hamilton, OH.  (thanks to Adam Sanders)

--Melissa Bellin (Nitro Girl Spice) has been added to the 1/27 to 1/29 WrestleReunion at the Los Angeles Airport Westin Hotel.  She will also be doing a bikini photo shoot there. (thanks to Daniel Short)

--Vinnie Carolan will be on WBZ radio 1030 AM in Boston tonight at 1 a.m., a 50,000 watt station that can be heard throughout New England.  He'll be talking about Rock's return and the 11/14 Raw tapings in Boston.    

--Rampage Pro Wrestling from last night in Warner-Robins, GA:  Drew Adler b Anthony Andrews-DQ, Jeremy Vain b Frankie Valentine, Rob Adonis & Bobby Moore NC Shaun Banks & Cru Jones, J-Rod & Ace Rockwell & Adrian Hawkins & Kyle Matthews b Mike Posey & Chip Day & Corey Hollis & Sal Rinauro & Jimmy Rave.  

--Jimmy Rave vs. Kyle Matthews will be a pre-taping dark match at the TNA tapings on 10/26 in Albany, GA.