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SUN UPDATE: TNA Bound for Glory, UFC 192, AAA Heroes Inmortales iPPV

We're looking for your thoughts on UFC 192, WWE in Madison Square Garden, TNA Bound for Glory and AAA Heroes Inmortales so you can leave a thumbs up, thumbs down or thumbs in the middle along with a best and worst match at Dave Meltzer.

We're also looking for reports on these weekend shows:

*WWE tonight in Worcester, MA (John Cena vs. Seth Rollins)

*WWE tonight in Portland, ME (Roman Reigns vs. Bray Wyatt

*NXT today in Louisville at the Louder than Life Music and Food Festival

TNA Bound for Glory PPV on Sunday at 8 p.m. from Concord, NC

EC 3 vs. Matt Hardy vs. Drew Galloway for the TNA title with Jeff Hardy as ref

Eddie Edwards & Davey Richards vs. Trevor Lee & Brian Meyers for the TNA tag tilters

Abyss, Aiden O'Shea, Chris Melendez, Jesse Godderz, Ken Anderson, Mahabili Shera, Tyrus, Eli Drake and Robbie E in a Gauntlet for a title shot

Gail Kim vs. Awesome Kong for Knockouts title

Tigre Uno puts up X title in an Ultimate X match

Bobby Roode vs. Bobby Lashley for King of the Mountain title

Kurt Angle vs Eric Young

Check out our live coverage: TNA Bound for Glory 2015 live results: EC3 vs. Drew Galloway vs. Matt Hardy 

AAA Heroes Inmortales iPPV at 7 p.m. Eastern time at www.internetvluchalibreaaa.com from San Luis Potosi

Alberto El Patron vs. Johnny Mundo for AAA Mega heavyweight title

Rey Mysterio Jr. & Psycho Clown & ? vs. El Hijo del Fantasma & El Texano Jr. & Myzteziz

Antonio Pena Cup tournament:  Aero Star, Blue Demon Jr., Nino Hamburguesa, La Parka, Averno, Chessman, Cibernetico, Electroshock, El Hijo del Pirata Morgan & ?

Joe Lider & Pentagon Jr. defend AAA tag titles against Jack Evans & Angelico and Steve Pain & Daga

Taya Valkyrie defends Queen or Queens title against Goya Kong, Hiedra and two mystery women

Raw is Monday night at the TD Garden in Boston.  Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman are at the show along with the usual cast of characters.  No Undertaker advertised.

Tuesday has Smackdown/Main Event tapings in Philadelphia.  No John Cena here, with Randy Orton, Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns being the biggest stars.


Bayley vs. Sasha Banks for the NXT title in a 30 minute Iron Woman match

Dusty Rhodes tag team tournament semifinals & finals

JJ Jordan & Chad Gable vs. Rhyno & Baron Corbin

Samoa Joe & Finn Balor vs. Dash Wilder & Scott Dawson

Apollo Crews vs. Tyler Breeze

Asuka vs. Dana Brooke


Figure Four Weekly:

The newest issue of Figure Four Weekly is now up for subscribers (subscribe to the site here and get access to Figure Four, the Observer, tons of audio, and more) featuring a look back at how exactly WWE lost the WWF name. Forget the stories you'v heard, this detailsexactly what the World Wildlife Fund objected to, what WWE agreed to and why, what scandals worried the fund, and more.  On top of that, we have all the usual stuff like Vinny's reviews and international news from Dr. Lucha Steve Sims and and Alan"4L" Counihan.

The recent Figure Four Weekly with a look at the crazy story of why Gawker thinks the FBI may have helped Hulk Hogan cover up his racist and homophobic comments. A judge has ordered the FBI to turn over the records of their investigation, and what Gawker is saying in court about what has and hasn't been turned over paints a very interesting picture.

Also, now available for the first time on Kindle (meaning Kindle devices and anything with the Kindle app) is Fall Guys, the seminal 1937 book that has been described as being like the 1930s version of the Wrestling Observer. It was surprisingly not on Kindle already, so we put together a nice version with a full table of contents w/ chapter marks, proper formatting on everything, etc. Right now it's available from the American, Canadian, and Australian Amazon/Kindle stores OR you can also buy it from anywhere in the world on PayHip, who will provide you with both Kindle and ePub (every other e-reader) format files, and you can either sideload them to your device or have them email it to your Kindle.


Wrestling Observer Newsletter

If you saw the JBL interview with Eric Bischoff, or even if you didn't, we have what is already one of the most talked about and praised issues of the Wrestling Observer this year up on the site right now.  The main theme is fact vs. fiction, covering both the WWE historical view of the Monday Night Wars and the Eric Bischoff version, going through every point and cutting through things like outright B.S., faulty memories and interesting truths.

The new double issue also covers SummerSlam in Brooklyn, the real story behind the UFC announcing a show in Madison Square Garden, Jon Jones' legal punishment and future, coverage of both of the New Japan PPV shows this past week as well as a look at their direction as they build toward King of Pro Wrestling and later, the Tokyo Dome show, UFC in Japan and a look at that business, the retirement of Rich Franklin, a Hall of Famer running for Mayor, the retirement show of Genichiro Tenryu, more concerning drug testing questions, SummerSlam PPV numbers and what we can learn from them, as well as the death of German legend Axel Dieter Sr.

The latest Wrestling Observer Newsletter:  October 6, 2015 Wrestling Observer Newsletter: Analysis of Bischoff Network interview, Jones plea and tons more. 

You can also order the print Observer right now and get it delivered to your door via mail, by sending your name, address, Visa or Master Card number and an expiration date to Dave Meltzer

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We look at Eric Bischoff and his role, both good and bad, in what the pro wrestling industry has turned into.  We look at the WCW boom, the creation of Nitro, the early war, the NWO era, the peak and the fall of WCW.

We look at the mistakes made, the fall of WCW, the emergence of Bill Goldberg, the real origination of the streak idea,   We look at the rapid decline of the company and why.  We look at how and when things went down, as well as why, how history shows the merger excuse doesn't hold water, the complete b.s. of the WWE's Monday Night War narrative.  We look at the dying days of WCW and Eric Bischoff's plan he never got a chance to implement.

We look at Eric Bischoff's background, how he got into wrestling, his first meeting with Verne Gagne, his WWF tryout as an announcer, his connection with Japan, the unique case of Sonny Onoo, and the death of the AWA.

We look at the sale of Georgia Championship Wrestling, Vince McMahon's one-year run on TBS and problems with Ted Turner, where Bill Watts fit into the scene then, and the scene prior to the launch of Nitro.

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In the UFC Madison Square Garden announcement, we look at the thought process behind the strategy.


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  • Bryan and I will be back tonight talking the latest news including TNA Bound for Glory, WWE in Madison Square Garden and taking questions that can be sent tomailbag@wrestlingobserver.com  Our show covering UFC 192 and last night's Madison Square Garden show is already up.
  • WrestlingObserver.com's coverage of UFC 192: Cormier vs. Gustafsson live results and coverage  and WWE Live from MSG live results: Brock Lesnar vs. Big Show, John Cena vs. Seth Rollins cage match  Don't forget to listen to Dave and Bryan talk about both on: Wrestling Observer Radio 10/4: UFC 192, WWE in Madison Square Garden, tons of news!
  • Nothing from WWE trended on Google and UFC 192 was No 3 behind the Miami Dolphins and Andrew Luck yesterday, but it was 200,000 searches, which wouldn't indicate a big PPV number.  The only other things that made the list yesterday were Adrien Broner (No. 14) and Sage Northcutt (No. 15), both at 50,000.
  • The Ronda Rousey/Holly Holm  TV commercial that everyone has been talking about
  • The Earl Hebner Hall of Fame induction held last night in Salem, VA, at the TNA house show, was taped.  Fans who there were told it would be airing on the Bound for Glory broadcast tonight. 
  • TNA Bound for Glory airs for free on Ma Chaine Sport in France live at 2 a.m. on Canalsat 123 and Numericable 150 with Celian Varini and Gregory Deas on commentary.  There will be a replay in prime time on 10/11 at 8:30 p.m.
  • TNA Bound for Glory preview
  • Tickets for the next Madison Square Garden show, which will be 12/26, are available on a pre-sale with the code HOLIDAY.
  • Daniel Cormier believed he suffered a broken foot in the first round when a kick was checked.  The fight was a war with Alexander Gustafsson and a super gutsy performance put on by both.
  • No real indication whether Jon Jones will be back to face Cormier next or Cormier would face  Ryan Bader, if Jones isn't in the picture.
  • The show where Dana White fought Sage Northcutt on a small show
  • Here is a "Getting to know" Sage Northcutt
  • Paul Heyman talks returning to Madison Square Garden as a performer
  • Not sure why CMLL didn't air on Claro Sports in the U.S.  The broadcast did air, but it was geo blocked.  Some people with an app where it can make it appear their computer is located in Mexico, even when it wasn't, were able to watch the show live.  The story  we got is that it may have been that they were also streaming a soccer game which had U.S. TV rights that had to be protected.
  • La Sombra vs. Atlantis in a mask vs. mask match from two weeks ago did air on Azteca America yesterday.
  • wXw from Friday in Oberhausen, Germany:  The tag matches are in a tag team tournament:  Karl Anderson & Doc Gallows b Di Leo & Fischer, Axel Dieter Jr. & Da Mack b Hakan Aslan & Tarkan Aslan, Jurn Simmons & Tyler Bate b Absolute Andy & Bad Bones John Klinger, Big Daddy Walter & Zack Sabre Jr. b Marius van Beethoven & Kevin Roadster, Tommaso Ciampa won over Player Dos, Bobby Fish and Jonathan Gresham, Kim Ray b Player Uno, Dieter & Mack b Jurn Simmons & Tyler Bate, Big Daddy Walter  Zack Sabre Jr. b Karl Anderson & Doc Gallows
  • wXw from yesterday in Oberhuasen, Germany:  Tag matches are part of the tournament:  Jonathan Gresham & Chris Brookes b Bobby Gunns & Vincent the Beast, Julian Nero & Robert Dreissker b Mike Schwarz & Toby Blunt, Sasa Keel b Kim Ray-DQ, Bobby Fish & Kyle O'Reilly b ACH & Tommaso Ciampa, Tommy End & Michael Dante b Evil Uno & Stu Grayson, Da Mack won over Tyler Bate, Bad Bones John Klinger and The Rotation, Ilja Darunov b Zack Sabre Jr. Jonathan Gresham & Chris Brookes b Julian Negro & Robert Dreissker-COR, Bobby Fish & Kyle O'Reilly b Tommy End & Michael Dante, . (thanks to Markus Gronemann)
  • Grado was in a car accident this morning on his way to the airport to come in for the third show in Oberhausen, so he will not be on the show as scheduled for his wXw title match with Karsten Beck.
  • A.J. Styles, who was in the U.K. for two shows with Revolution Pro this past weekend, faces Tommy End is on today's show.
  • If Tony Arrelano of Northern California is reading this, or anyone knows him, have him please contact me at dave@wrestlingobserver.com" target="_blank">dave@wrestlingobserver.com
  • Nick Bockwinkel as a guest on a 1968 Hollywood Squares game show 
  • Notes on a new movie featuring former WWE wrestler Nathan Jones
  • Former WWE wrestler Nick Busick battling cancer
  • A new Chikara app was added to the Roku marketplace this weekend.
  • A Harley Race vs. Gino Hernandez 2/3 fall match for the NWA title was added this past week to NWAClassics.com, the Houston Wrestling subscription service.
  • House of Hardcore on 11/13 in Philadelphia at the Arena now has:

Tommy Dreamer & Tajiri vs. Ethan Carter III & Eric Young

Rhino vs. Abyss

Bobby Roode vs. Austin Aries

Chris Hero vs. Lance Hoyt

Eddie Kingston vs. Tommaso Ciampa

Tony Nese vs. Alex Reynolds vs. JT Dunn

  • For House of Hardcore on 11/14 in New York at the Elmcor Center

Tommy Dreamer vs. Ethan Carter III street fight

Roode & Aries vs. ?

Tajiri vs. Chris Hero

Jade vs. Thea Trinidad with Velvet Sky as ref.

  • Dory Funk's BANG TV taping will be 10/24 in Reddick, FL at the People Power Festival, and no, John Laurinaitis is not on the show.  Dory Funk Jr. headlines an all cage match show.
  • Randy Couture appeared as his recurring character arsonist Jason Duclair on Hawaii Five-O Friday night. (thanks to Grant Zwarych)
  • WrestleMerica on 10/2 in Barnesville, GA before 400 fans (this is Doc Gallows' promotion):  Fry Daddy b Simon Sermon, Salvatore Rinauro b CB Suave, MD 3 & PYB b Southside Trash, Iceberg b P-Dogg (Mike Posey), Tyson Dean & Glacier (original from WCW) & Micah (Camacho in WWE) & Tama Tonga b Andy Anderson & Murder One & Pain & Tommy Too Much, Al Getz b Amber Gallows in a lumberjack match (thanks to Kris Zellner)
  • Netflix just added a B-rated Sci-Fi move "3 Headed Shark Attack" starring Rob Van Dam, Jason Simmons and Danny Trejo (thanks to Daniel Beling)
  • Maryland Championship Wrestling from last night in Joppa, MD:  Drolix b Brandon Scott, Eddie Smooth b David Starr, Punk Rock All-Stars b Headbangers (former WWF team), The Bruiser b Ken Dixon, Bo Appalachian Outlaws b Fed Up (Ted DiBiase used the Million Dollar Dream on heel manager Col. Calihan and then Jake Roberts put the snake on him), Patrick Clark (Tough Enough) won 20 man Bunkhouse Battle Royal to earn a title shot, Patrick Clark & Lio Rush b Ecktourage and Hell Cats to win the tag titles, Mickie James & Fenix Fury b Amber Rodriguez & Chuck Lennox, John Hennigan (Mundo) b Shane Strickland.  Next show is 11/14 in Joppa, MD, with appearances by Ric Flair, JJ Dillon and Tully Blanchard.  They next MCW show is 10/16 with Matt Hardy, Mickie James and Road Warrior Animal.
  • I Believe in Wrestling from last night in Orlando, FL:  Braydon Knight b Rex Bacchus and Mike Reed, Chico Adams b Dalton Murphy, Brandon Scherer b Derick Jordan, Aaron Epic b Martin Stone, Mike Patrick b Leo Brien, Santana Garrett b Saraya Knight to retain NWA & Shine titles, Rhett Giddins & Josh Parker b Ace Andrews & Josh Hess.  Next show is 10/17 with Giddins vs. Patrick (thanks to Al Haft)
  • Lucha Xtreme TV from last night in Fresno:  Mortal b Marcus Eriks-DQ, Kevin El Divino b Jesse Poole-DQ, Jesse Poole & Marcus Eriks b Kevin El Divino & Prince Nagi-DQ.  Next show is 10/18 at the Big Fresno Fair.  Admission is free with a fair admission. (thanks to Jon Southerland) 
  • UWC on 10/10 in Wrightstown, NJ at Kelly's Bar and Banquet Hall.  They also run 10/24 in New Egypt, NJ at the Elks Lodge.
  • Premier Championship Wrestling from last night in Winnipeg:  Kenny Omega & Chris Stevens b Jay Walker & Alexander Prime, Zack Mercury won over Moses Luke and Shao Ming in a three-way, Chad Tatum b Mike Angels, Jay Walker b Alix Vanna, Shao Ming b Jay Wakler, Mentallo b Kenny Omega-DQ, Team Flex Appeal b London Dynasty, Jackie Lee b Antonio Scorpio.  The belief is that Lee may be the first legit Chinese champion in modern Canadian pro wrestling history.  Mike Angels retired on this show after a 15 year career. (thanks to Andrew Shallcross)


1972 - Antonio Inoki beat Karl Gotch in Tokyo to win the "real world title," which was the forerunner of the IWGP title

1988 - Fuerza Guerrera beat Solar II in Mexico City to win the NWA welterweight title

1995 - Koki Kitahara & Nobutaka Araya & Arashi beat Gedo & Jado & Hiromichi Fuyuki in Hamamatsu Hamamatsu to win the WAR six-man tag titles

1997 - Kenta Kobashi & Johnny Ace (John Laurinaitis) beat Steve Williams & Gary Albright in Nagoya to win the All Japan tag titles

2004 - Masato Tanaka & Wataru Sakata beat Shinjiro Otani & Takao Omori in Morioka to win the NWA Zero-One IC tag titles